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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by zeteo »

daenz wrote: post #6

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if someone makes the argument that this automated flagging is an indicator that chess's language is inadvertently racially charged. And think about the concept of "white goes first." All it takes is a few viral tweets, and suddenly the game of chess is in the crosshairs.

Chess is not only racist but also sexist. How come the king is the most important piece on the board but the queen is completely expendable?! And, for goodness sake, the game features actual white knights.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by nemo44x »

underseacables wrote: post #10

Oh no. Please. Not chess. Can’t we just leave this one alone?

No. Everything must be examined critically through the lenses of social justice. Chess is a Eurocentric and thus colonial game only valued because of its expression of whiteness. Dominance of an opponent of another color reenforces normative racism and the white pieces going first internalizes white supremacy to Black, brown, and indigenous peoples. I won’t even go into the obvious sexism and misogyny of the emotional labor of the womxn piece moving the longest distances in all directions while being valued less than the male piece.

We should expect and demand equity in all our so called “games” so that everyone wins.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by Kalium »

hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

There's The Scunthorpe Problem, which seems like a specific instance.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by colordrops »

zeteo wrote: post #31
daenz wrote: post #6

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if someone makes the argument that this automated flagging is an indicator that chess's language is inadvertently racially charged. And think about the concept of "white goes first." All it takes is a few viral tweets, and suddenly the game of chess is in the crosshairs.

Chess is not only racist but also sexist. How come the king is the most important piece on the board but the queen is completely expendable?! And, for goodness sake, the game features actual white knights.

Can't tell if sarcasm.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by stiGGG »

hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Roboterflegelhaftigkeiten

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by agnosticmantis »

SilverRed wrote: post #13
shp0ngle wrote: post #5

Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

First and second implies a hierarchy and uneven power balance. Both players should have their turns simultaneously.

Be wise, randomize!

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by nemo44x »

tdhz77 wrote: post #24

A friend of mine was banned for sending a chat message that said “this is a Mexican standoff” — the people in the room were both Mexican, if it matters.. we were all confused on why he was permanently banned.

Because it implies the Mexican race can’t resolve disputes without violence thus normalizing xenophobia.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by SilverRed »

kleer001 wrote: post #25
hyperhopper wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, that might be a sign that the idea of drawing abstract connections between words and concepts, that are several layers of indirection apart, may be going too far. Yeah using language that upsets people is bad, but if you allow enough layers between words and concepts, _everything_ can be argued to be offensive for one reason or another. Or will be soon once something else becomes a hot button issue.

> using language that upsets people is bad Shouldn't be. Intent should be the grounds for upset, intent only. Otherwise you get a Euphemism Treadmill, and that's a goddamn fucking waste of time.

This would save so much time wasting. When someone says "Can you push that to the master branch" there is nothing that ties that statement to slavery or racism so there is nothing wrong with it.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by basilgohar »

Clewza313 wrote: post #2

> “White’s attack on black is brutal. White is stomping all over black’s defenses. The black king is gonna fall … ” Fortunately there's an easy solution: we can just replace "white" and "black" with neutral alternatives like "allow" and "deny" or "pass" and "block".

Was this reply made by an AI? The context of the suggestions seem GPT-3 close...
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