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Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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Please don't conflate the pay walls with public domain, these journal articles are clearly in the public domain. And they should not be behind a pay wall. Locking in of the worlds historical knowledge is even worse, I think, than locking in current research. The economic return to the holders of the keys to the garden have no moral or legal right to assert control over the this knowledge, when their articles of incor…

I'm no legal expert, but I'd guess it's illegal to sell what is in the public domain. Why hasn't anybody done anything?

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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post #20

Please don't conflate the pay walls with public domain, these journal articles are clearly in the public domain. And they should not be behind a pay wall. Locking in of the worlds historical knowledge is even worse, I think, than locking in current research. The economic return to the holders of the keys to the garden have no moral or legal right to assert control over the this knowledge, when their articles of incor…

I'm no legal expert, but I'd guess it's illegal to sell what is in the public domain. Why hasn't anybody done anything?

I am not a lawyer or expert either but I do not believe it is illegal to sell something in the public domain. That's sort of the point of Public Domain. No one can tell you not to sell it.

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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"Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay" Is it any surprise that the fed is attacking torrent sites? Even a tech news site puts incorrect titles on its news articles. He didn't upload papers to the Pirate Bay, he uploaded a 165kb torrent file to the Pirate Bay. It may sound like semantics but it has real legal repercussions.

" a .torrent file pointing to thousands of scientific papers has just been uploaded to the pirate bay" doesnt really fit into a headline

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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post #12

"Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay" Is it any surprise that the fed is attacking torrent sites? Even a tech news site puts incorrect titles on its news articles. He didn't upload papers to the Pirate Bay, he uploaded a 165kb torrent file to the Pirate Bay. It may sound like semantics but it has real legal repercussions.

" a .torrent file pointing to thousands of scientific papers has just been uploaded to the pirate bay" doesnt really fit into a headline

"Thousands of scientific papers were shared via The Pirate Bay"

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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post #21
post #20

Please don't conflate the pay walls with public domain, these journal articles are clearly in the public domain. And they should not be behind a pay wall. Locking in of the worlds historical knowledge is even worse, I think, than locking in current research. The economic return to the holders of the keys to the garden have no moral or legal right to assert control over the this knowledge, when their articles of incor…

I'm no legal expert, but I'd guess it's illegal to sell what is in the public domain. Why hasn't anybody done anything?

We sell water don't we?

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no legal expert, but I'd guess it's illegal to sell what is in the public domain. Why hasn't anybody done anything?

We sell water don't we?

Exactly, you can charge for providing access to anything, as long as you are not obstructing public property to do so.

Even if the works are in the public domain, the copies that you maintain are yours and you can charge for access to those copies.

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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post #21
post #20

Please don't conflate the pay walls with public domain, these journal articles are clearly in the public domain. And they should not be behind a pay wall. Locking in of the worlds historical knowledge is even worse, I think, than locking in current research. The economic return to the holders of the keys to the garden have no moral or legal right to assert control over the this knowledge, when their articles of incor…

I'm no legal expert, but I'd guess it's illegal to sell what is in the public domain. Why hasn't anybody done anything?

You've really never seen a Dover book?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_Books

Publishing works that are in the public domain is their bread and butter.

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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Taking things on face value I congratulate him. There's been a few times when I've tried to access an interesting academic paper only to find that it's only available behind some pay- wall. Why should we have to pay for a scientific paper if it was produced by a public funded institution? What's the long term effect on the spread and advancement of knowledge if access is restricted and "gamed" for profit? If he's sue…

once you start taking a closer look at academic publishing practices quite a lot of it ranges from "silly" to "morally questionable".

and not just in publishing.

there's particularly one practice that I find particularly distasteful, and that is the practice of putting the names of people who had nothing to do with the publicaion on papers. either to market the paper itself ("ooh, look, I have a famous professor's name next to mine!") or to boost the publication list of some tenured has-been.

a few years ago there was a scandal here in Norway. a doctor got caught fabricating research results. as the shitstorm hit the media his "co-authors" (none of which seemed to have done any of the work or the writing, and some of which denied even knowing about the paper) ran for cover. oh and how they ran.

I must say that I found it somewhat questionable that they didn't get thrown out of academia for having put their name on a piece of fraudulent bullshit. if the paper was good enough to put their name on it should be good enough to stand by.

it ought to be a mandatory practice to mark these frauds in publication lists and databases as such: frauds.

most I have talked to who are still in academia defend the practice. and when they run out of sensible arguments in its favor, which they inevitably do, they go with the old "well, it is how it is done. so we shouldn't rock the boat".

quite a few of these people have a change of heart after leaving academia. or after having a re-think about ethics and honesty and why it really, really matters if you are to call what you are doing "science".

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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post #20

Please don't conflate the pay walls with public domain, these journal articles are clearly in the public domain. And they should not be behind a pay wall. Locking in of the worlds historical knowledge is even worse, I think, than locking in current research. The economic return to the holders of the keys to the garden have no moral or legal right to assert control over the this knowledge, when their articles of incor…

I'm no legal expert, but I'd guess it's illegal to sell what is in the public domain. Why hasn't anybody done anything?

Don't downvote this question, it is valid.

Re: Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to The Pirate Bay

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post #20

Please don't conflate the pay walls with public domain, these journal articles are clearly in the public domain. And they should not be behind a pay wall. Locking in of the worlds historical knowledge is even worse, I think, than locking in current research. The economic return to the holders of the keys to the garden have no moral or legal right to assert control over the this knowledge, when their articles of incor…

I'm no legal expert, but I'd guess it's illegal to sell what is in the public domain. Why hasn't anybody done anything?

I'm not sure if you're joking. I'm going to, for my own sanity, pretend that you are joking.
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