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Well said. There is no difference between what Lulzsec and Anonymous do, compared with the FBI storming into a data centre without warrants and grabbing hardware. None at all. In fact, the FBI did more damage.
FBI did not break any federal laws.
What are they gonna do when every govt/corporate website starts sanitizing its webapps' input and patching its network services? All they'll be able to do is DoS. Wouldn't it be funny if the FBI & associated agencies actually worked to increase the security of the nation's networks instead of acting surprised every time they get penetrated?
>What are they gonna do when every govt/corporate website starts sanitizing its webapps' input and patching its network services? That's among their stated goals.
I wonder if they'll ever understand the people they're trying to protect are actually the victims in their actions. They hack Sony. Sony loses millions. How do you think they're going to recapture their loses? By passing the loss onto consumers. Increased prices for TV's, games, anything Sony makes is going to increase in price to recoup their loses. Clearly they haven't thought this all the way through.
Oh come on. People said the same damn thing about every activist in history. "Don't anger Sony because they'll only make prices higher for everybody!" Yes. Their costs will be higher, so economically they'll either take less profit or have higher prices. Then they will be at a disadvantage in the marketplace. At some point the cold equations of economics will dictate that they either change their ways or die.
It's not like one day their TV's are $300, and then overnight they're $1000. All they have to do is edge the price up moderately over time to make back their losses. But in the end, the result is the same. The loss and increased cost is passed on to the consumer.
Also, when you're talking two or three dollar differences in prices compared to other companies. Sony owns a large portion of the gaming industry. It's not like there's 10 console makers. Choice is limited, so your point about "cold equations of economics" unfortunately doesn't hold true in this case.
My point stands - when large corporations lose money, it's normal for businesses to pass the loss of revenue onto consumers.
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Does it really come as a shock that people prefer to protest the powers that are oppressing them and their friends, rather than the powers that are oppressing someone else on the other side of the planet?
How is the U.S. government specifically opressing them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_incarceration_timeline-...
Their Twitter status from about half an hour ago is far more interesting: https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/94033541196824576 "We're currently working with certain media outlets who have been granted exclusive access to some of the News of the World emails we have."
Reminded a bit of V for Vendetta's speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EORflS7uEIc And bit of John F. Kennedy: Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
Well, guess where they got the masks from, amongst other things. Anonymous is pretty much V incarnate. He's their idol and inspiration. He's everything they aspire to be.
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I have to find myself agreeing with this, the fact that these individuals (FBI members, govt agencies in general.) are funded beyond the means of normal individuals and given resources that money can't buy. (well I'm sure enough of it can.) Gives them an edge that many people can't fight against. They can do whatever they want with impunity. Now I can't say that opening up a server and releasing all it's users passwo…
The fact that we're even able to have these thoughtful discussions means that at least we're evolving as a species. For the sake of our survival, may we eventually get to a point where people are judged more for how they treat others, rather than what they are able to purchase.
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So, as long as there is some other country in the world that is more oppressive than the U.S., we shouldn't be addressing our own issues at home? That's not a good recipe.
What specific issues do you have that can't be taken to your local congressman/woman? We have them for a reason.
Even if I did, do you want to know what issues I couldn't have taken care of by those people? Nearly anything that has industry lobbying behind it. They don't give a shit about individual "citizens", why should they?
Why does Anonymous focus so much on attacking the US government (and related rich democratic countries) when it could instead be focused on fighting the governments that are actually oppressive? Nothing the US has ever done, even at it's most oppressive, could ever compare to what North Korea does to it's own citizen's on a regular basis. I would probably be much more sympathetic towards their cause if they focused m…
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I fail to see how forcing Sony to raise their prices or take less in profits doesn't achieve their goals? It isn't like you're forced to buy only Sony's already over-priced and poorly-built shit.
What were the goals?
