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Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by sandyarmstrong »

rjzzleep wrote: post #57
sandyarmstrong wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool stuff. I think there were a few similar efforts going on. For example, LSP was based on the protocol developed for OmniSharp, which was an open source .NET-specific implementation started in like 2013 by a Vim fanatic.

Interesting! Is there a source for that? I remember OmniSharp. It was a blessing when I could start to use vim when I had to use .NET a few years ago. I had no idea that's what LSP grew out of.

A source for LSP growing out of OmniSharp? Interestingly I'm not finding much. This isn't a totally accurate history but it's close enough: https://blog.logrocket.com/how-to-use-the-language-server-pr...

The original project was at https://github.com/nosami/Omnisharp (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6006954). But over time it was split into several repos.

The history article above says that OmniSharp started out on Roslyn, but actually it originally used NRefactory. The old server is here: https://github.com/OmniSharp/omnisharp-server

EDIT: Oh, just found https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/wiki/P... . This cites OmniSharp and also the TypeScript language server.

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by gcanyon »

kasperset wrote: post #60

I miss multiple cursor on non-contiguous text with BBEdit. I feel like this feature should be standard. I was blown by that feature when I saw it first on Sublime text.

This is the feature that drives me to Sublime. It’s easily half of what I use it for.

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by spinax »

unicornporn wrote: post #28
haroldp wrote: post #11

> We know that many of our customers create a lot of untitled documents for quick note-taking, and rely on BBEdit's legendary stability and robust crash recovery to protect their work. We've added a new "Notes" feature in BBEdit 14... Ooh, guilty as charged. I see an "Untitled text 931". It's a list of hostnames. "Untitled text 107" is a Beef & Broccoli recipe.

This is the main reason BBEdit has been with me for a decade. I have NEVER lost an unsaved document during that whole time. You quit BBEdit or restart or crash macOS but they're always there when you're back in. Insanely robust. Is there anything like it on Linux?

vim: https://github.com/chrisbra/vim-autosave

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by prionassembly »

unicornporn wrote: post #28
haroldp wrote: post #11

> We know that many of our customers create a lot of untitled documents for quick note-taking, and rely on BBEdit's legendary stability and robust crash recovery to protect their work. We've added a new "Notes" feature in BBEdit 14... Ooh, guilty as charged. I see an "Untitled text 931". It's a list of hostnames. "Untitled text 107" is a Beef & Broccoli recipe.

This is the main reason BBEdit has been with me for a decade. I have NEVER lost an unsaved document during that whole time. You quit BBEdit or restart or crash macOS but they're always there when you're back in. Insanely robust. Is there anything like it on Linux?

Sublime Text.

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by Lammy »

dhruvbhatia wrote: post #20
talentedcoin wrote: post #15

Can someone here explain to me the appeal of BBEdit? I’ve tried using it several times but it never clicked with me. (I’m an Emacs user.)

My story is rather dated and admittedly only one data point, but when I was in my early teens (early 2000s), WYSIWYG editors like Frontpage and Dreamweaver were the tools I used to self-learn the basics of web dev. The issue though was that those editors were rather bloated and ran very poorly on the machine my mother had bought me, so it became increasingly favourable to seek something lighter weight and non-WYSIWYG…

This was exactly my path to loving BBEdit since it let me be a productive PHP dev (insert joke here) on the 5+ year old PowerMac 7300 I was able to afford at the time with my own money as a young teenager. I remember the HTML capabilities they added around version 5/6 being a really huge deal for a lot of people: http://www.atpm.com/6.10/bbedit.shtml

I don't use a Mac daily any more, but I still can't use anything except ProFont in my editors after growing up spending so many hours staring at bitmap Monaco 9 in BBEdit: https://tobiasjung.name/profont/

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by bdcravens »

thosakwe wrote: post #34
cytzol wrote: post #8

Thanks to using BBEdit for a decade now, I get bitterly disappointed whenever I re-open an application and it doesn't restore the windows and state it had when it closed. I've tried switching to both Emacs and Vim, but no amount of configuration nor third-party plugins could get them to work like this effectively. BBEdit works exactly how I want it to work out of the box, and I commend it for that.

Tim Pope has a plugin for that: https://github.com/tpope/vim-obsession

That's true so often, you could probably write a bot for that response

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by lallysingh »

404mm wrote: post #55
haroldp wrote: post #11

> We know that many of our customers create a lot of untitled documents for quick note-taking, and rely on BBEdit's legendary stability and robust crash recovery to protect their work. We've added a new "Notes" feature in BBEdit 14... Ooh, guilty as charged. I see an "Untitled text 931". It's a list of hostnames. "Untitled text 107" is a Beef & Broccoli recipe.

Lol! Same here. I want them to have some paid lite mode, that I could purchase and support them. Given my use case I feel like $40 is a bit much but I’d gladly pay $20 for a note taking app.

Didn't they have TextWrangler for this?

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by [deleted] »

adrusi wrote: post #40
ibic wrote: post #18

Saw this editor names several times before, but never used it. Out of curiosity, how does it compare to Sublime Text?

I haven't used BBEdit in over a decade, so my sense of its capabilities are surely out of date. I can't compare features, but I can tell an interesting story. Sublime Text is arguably a spiritual descendant of BBEdit. Sublime Text (starting with version 2) was heavily inspired by TextMate. In fact it used TextMate file formats for colorschemes and snippets, making it relatively easy for TextMate users to migrate to S…

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Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by pwdisswordfish0 »

unicornporn wrote: post #28
haroldp wrote: post #11

> We know that many of our customers create a lot of untitled documents for quick note-taking, and rely on BBEdit's legendary stability and robust crash recovery to protect their work. We've added a new "Notes" feature in BBEdit 14... Ooh, guilty as charged. I see an "Untitled text 931". It's a list of hostnames. "Untitled text 107" is a Beef & Broccoli recipe.

This is the main reason BBEdit has been with me for a decade. I have NEVER lost an unsaved document during that whole time. You quit BBEdit or restart or crash macOS but they're always there when you're back in. Insanely robust. Is there anything like it on Linux?

Vim (cross-platform) supports ability to restore from the "swap" file (by default, AFAIK, but that may very well be a special configuration decision by my distro).

If your system crashes or you lose power while editing foo.src, it will leave the swap file behind, which is eagerly written to disk while editing and only removed when the process shuts down gracefully. When you bring your system back up and try to edit foo.src again, you'll get a message "Swap file ".foo.src.swp" already exists!" and prompt you for whether you'd like to recover it or not. Any unsaved changes you made will be reconstructed from swap, rendering the file in the same state it was before.

Vim also supports a closely related concept "sessions", which you can force with ":mks" and restore with the "-S" flag. This will re-open whatever files you had open at the time, in the same layout, and more.

What would be interesting to see are "super swap files" that are passively created (like ordinary swap files, requiring no intervention) but do everything that session files do and more, like preserving movements, markers, undo history try, etc. -- essentially getting you back to exactly what you had at the time of the interruption.

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by banana_giraffe »

bxparks wrote: post #58
cytzol wrote: post #8

Thanks to using BBEdit for a decade now, I get bitterly disappointed whenever I re-open an application and it doesn't restore the windows and state it had when it closed. I've tried switching to both Emacs and Vim, but no amount of configuration nor third-party plugins could get them to work like this effectively. BBEdit works exactly how I want it to work out of the box, and I commend it for that.

Be careful what you wish for. I use one application which does not check whether the computer goes from 2 external monitors to the built-in laptop monitor. When I reopen the app on the laptop without the external monitors, all of its windows are drawn completely off the screen. The only way I know how to fix this is to reattach the external monitors, move the windows to the built-in screen, then close the app again.

If you're in Windows, and the off-screen window has focus: Alt-Space -> M -> Any arrow key, and move the mouse.
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