They may as well have put "Won't someone think of the children!?" instead.
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#12Another interesting example of a company choosing to simply route around the media. Not making a value judgement, but I'm seeing more companies opt to simply disengage and try to create their own narratives rather than go through the media via interviews/statements/etc.
I have always had a suspicion that this is the most expedient course of action from a company's perspective: the velocity of media is so fast nowadays that any controversy will be forgotten by the next week.
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#13Another interesting example of a company choosing to simply route around the media. Not making a value judgement, but I'm seeing more companies opt to simply disengage and try to create their own narratives rather than go through the media via interviews/statements/etc.
It would be interesting if everybody just pulled an Elon and when Wapo asked for comment they would just say something like "Tell Jeff we say hi". It completely takes the moral high ground from the journalists.
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#14They know they're probably going to get away with it, and there's not much more that can be done to target them specifically.
Their operations sound like that of a criminal group just dressed up with a nice logo and website, but as long as Israel doesn't care, it doesn't matter.
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#15NSO Group is dead at this point. They fucked with the wrong people. Hacking human rights advocates is fine but when Presidents and PMs start getting their phones hacked I am sure they will implement legislation to outlaw this type of software.
I'd guess that those same presidents will call them up and buy. They'd rather be a customer than try and change a behemoth with political power like these guys.
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#16>NSO will continue its mission of saving lives, helping governments around the world prevent terror attacks, break up pedophilia, sex, and drug-trafficking rings, locate missing and kidnapped children, locate survivors trapped under collapsed buildings, and protect airspace against disruptive penetration by dangerous drones.
If NSO group truly cared about that mission statement, they'd be more than happy to continue engaging in the media where beneficial towards those ends while comdemning the rest. They'd want to engage wherever possible to shine light on situations where their tools are leaked or abused in order to get as much pressure put on those groups as possible.
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#17Seems like NSO is saying "We don't operate our software directly, so stop asking us to be accountable for its use". Kind of like we accept that gun manufacturers have no liability if their guns are used in crimes.
With these kinds of attacks becoming the new normal, security should be top of mind for everyone when buying a phone...
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#18This was already disproved in the WhatsApp vs. NSO case:
In its filing, Facebook alleged that NSO had rented a Los Angeles-based server from a U.S. company, QuadraNet, that it used to launch 720 hacks on people’s smartphones or other devices (see https://outline.com/WsUszd)
That case is proceeding, because NSO has not been successful at all in claiming immunity or showing those are not it's servers. NSO rents the servers and they obviously run the C&C. They are not arms suppliers, they are mercenaries.
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#19> "NSO will thoroughly investigate any credible proof of misuse of its technologies, as we always had, and will shut down the system where necessary." From Wikipedia: "In October 2018 Citizen Lab reported on the use of NSO software to spy on the inner circle of Jamal Khashoggi just before his murder. Citizen Lab's October report[65] stated, with high confidence, that NSO's Pegasus had been placed on the iPhone of Sau…
We can safely assume that “moral products” and “things a Saudi prince would pay $55 million for” are independent sets.
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#20How is
> The list is not a list of targets or potential targets of Pegasus. The numbers in the list are not related to NSO group.
consistent with
> We do not operate the system, nor do we have access to the data of our customers, yet they are obligated to provide us with such information under investigations.
Did they "investigate" every customer then?