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Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by wlesieutre »

plodman wrote: post #6
ilovecaching wrote: post #2

I use BBEdit and love the editor (esp. love the new LSP support), but have hated the name and the icon for a long time. I have all these beautiful macOS icons, and then there's BBedit with it's weird acronym name and encyclopedia looking icon. Maybe it's time for a rebranding for the next generation! But seriously, BBEdit IMO beats out VSCode for speed and stability by a mile if you're a macOS user. And you're suppor…

https://macosicons.com/ Unfortunately it doesn’t stick if there’s an update but it solves the problem temporarily.

Replacicon is $3 well spent if you want custom icons to stick between updates

https://replacicon.app/

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by spiderice »

tablespoon wrote: post #10
spiderice wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, but it is still really ugly and feels very out of place on a Mac. edit: typo

> It is, but it is stilly really ugly and feels very out of place on a Mac. How? I just download it, an the icon looks totally fine to me. Also, BBEdit is really old. Having it change its name to suit modern fashions is about as desirable as having Emacs do the same.

I agree, I'm not suggesting a name change at all. That would be bad. And obviously the idea of the icon being ugly is completely objective, but I just don't like it. Bad colors. Bad shapes. Idk. It looks old, probably because it is. But plenty of old companies have modernized their logos in a pleasant way.

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by ptomato »

unicornporn wrote: post #28
haroldp wrote: post #11

> We know that many of our customers create a lot of untitled documents for quick note-taking, and rely on BBEdit's legendary stability and robust crash recovery to protect their work. We've added a new "Notes" feature in BBEdit 14... Ooh, guilty as charged. I see an "Untitled text 931". It's a list of hostnames. "Untitled text 107" is a Beef & Broccoli recipe.

This is the main reason BBEdit has been with me for a decade. I have NEVER lost an unsaved document during that whole time. You quit BBEdit or restart or crash macOS but they're always there when you're back in. Insanely robust. Is there anything like it on Linux?

Sublime Text has always performed similarly for me

Re: BBEdit 14

#34

Post by thosakwe »

cytzol wrote: post #8

Thanks to using BBEdit for a decade now, I get bitterly disappointed whenever I re-open an application and it doesn't restore the windows and state it had when it closed. I've tried switching to both Emacs and Vim, but no amount of configuration nor third-party plugins could get them to work like this effectively. BBEdit works exactly how I want it to work out of the box, and I commend it for that.

Tim Pope has a plugin for that: https://github.com/tpope/vim-obsession

Re: BBEdit 14

#35

Post by snazz »

ptomato wrote: post #33
unicornporn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the main reason BBEdit has been with me for a decade. I have NEVER lost an unsaved document during that whole time. You quit BBEdit or restart or crash macOS but they're always there when you're back in. Insanely robust. Is there anything like it on Linux?

Sublime Text has always performed similarly for me

Yep, ST’s unsaved default workspace is completely reliable for me—it’s survived power outages on my desktop (while I was actively typing) without a hitch.

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by mrehler »

ibic wrote: post #18

Saw this editor names several times before, but never used it. Out of curiosity, how does it compare to Sublime Text?

I like the completions of Sublime text a lot better for most tasks. ST’s packages are also really powerful and BBEDit isn’t extensible in the same ways (though it is through AppleScript and a host of other things).

After the 30-day “trial” is up, the features in its free version are more than worth keeping it installed for. I keep an active license for it in addition to Sublime Text because it’s my preferred tool for complicated RegEx things and multi-file search.

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by tablespoon »

spiderice wrote: post #32
tablespoon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is, but it is stilly really ugly and feels very out of place on a Mac. How? I just download it, an the icon looks totally fine to me. Also, BBEdit is really old. Having it change its name to suit modern fashions is about as desirable as having Emacs do the same.

I agree, I'm not suggesting a name change at all. That would be bad. And obviously the idea of the icon being ugly is completely objective, but I just don't like it. Bad colors. Bad shapes. Idk. It looks old, probably because it is. But plenty of old companies have modernized their logos in a pleasant way.

> I agree, I'm not suggesting a name change at all.

I was kinda responding to an ancestor comment with that statement.

> Bad colors. Bad shapes. Idk. It looks old, probably because it is. But plenty of old companies have modernized their logos in a pleasant way.

Modernization is often a regression. Looking at the icons in my apps folder, there are way too many seemingly standard-size circles differentiated by a little color or a less-prominent icon, and most of the rest are a standard-size squares with similar characteristics. It's like if the alphabet was all O's, but with different colors and small diacritics. IMHO, "modern" UIs tend far too much towards indistinguishably in order to achieve a "unified" look, which looks good in a quick demo but is detrimental to daily use.

However, the ultimate mistake is Apple's, for creating a text-free dock that makes the icons do too much work. And of course, Apple's mistakes must be copied by everyone else, because they're so good at marketing (I'm looking at you, Microsoft).

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by jchw »

unicornporn wrote: post #28
haroldp wrote: post #11

> We know that many of our customers create a lot of untitled documents for quick note-taking, and rely on BBEdit's legendary stability and robust crash recovery to protect their work. We've added a new "Notes" feature in BBEdit 14... Ooh, guilty as charged. I see an "Untitled text 931". It's a list of hostnames. "Untitled text 107" is a Beef & Broccoli recipe.

This is the main reason BBEdit has been with me for a decade. I have NEVER lost an unsaved document during that whole time. You quit BBEdit or restart or crash macOS but they're always there when you're back in. Insanely robust. Is there anything like it on Linux?

Visual Studio Code has yet to lose workspaces, untitled documents or unsaved changes for me. What is more likely to happen for me is accidentally running Git commands while I had buffers in VSCode with unsaved changes.

Re: BBEdit 14

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Post by adrusi »

ibic wrote: post #18

Saw this editor names several times before, but never used it. Out of curiosity, how does it compare to Sublime Text?

I haven't used BBEdit in over a decade, so my sense of its capabilities are surely out of date. I can't compare features, but I can tell an interesting story.

Sublime Text is arguably a spiritual descendant of BBEdit. Sublime Text (starting with version 2) was heavily inspired by TextMate. In fact it used TextMate file formats for colorschemes and snippets, making it relatively easy for TextMate users to migrate to ST2. That was a major reason for ST2's rise to mass popularity — TextMate was not receiving updates and was MacOS only, and in comes ST2 offering a very similar editing experience, but with cross-platform support and frequent updates.

TextMate, in turn, was heavily inspired by BBEdit. BBEdit at the time was, as its name suggests, fairly bare-bones. It had auto-indent and syntax highlighting and very sophisticated grep capabilities, but not much else in terms of programming support. For a long time, it was THE code editor for mac users who wanted a graphical interface but not an IDE. TextMate rose to popularity by mostly mimicking BBEdit, but offering additional programming features like snippets and shell-script based plugins and more sophisticated syntax highlighting (enabling e.g. correctly highlighting CSS and JS embedded in an HTML file).

With BBEdit 14 now apparently supporting LSP, it looks like it has incorporated a lot more programming support features. It might at this point be a more-or-less mac-native take on Sublime Text.

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