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The undiscovered country: Can suicide be predicted?

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Re: The undiscovered country: Can suicide be predicted?

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Just allow people the basic freedom to leave the fuck out of this world if they really want to. But no, that would mean one less entity to milk for labor and money.

Yeah, it's funny how no one gives a flying fuck about your suffering and will actively encourage it for their own benefit right up until you start talking about suicide.

Of course, 90% of the time that's because they see an opportunity to sell you on a new drug, religion, or ideology.

Re: The undiscovered country: Can suicide be predicted?

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> You are not around to enjoy the result of your consequent non-existence.

For a lot of people, that isn't the point. They've really lost hope. They think there is no end to the suffering. Many times they've already tried ways to effectively blunt feeling in their life with, at best, limited success. I've heard it said, "what's the point? i can't go through this any longer".

> Suffering is a natural part of life not something to be escaped on a whim.

But if you all feel and foresee is suffering, what is the benefit of living? I'm not advocating suicide at all, but I'm trying point out why it can seem rational.

Re: The undiscovered country: Can suicide be predicted?

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Robert Lowell once said that if humans had access to a button that would kill us instantly and painlessly, we would all press it sooner or later. I think this explains suicide better: For most, it’s an irrational act done in the spur of the moment. What I think is more interesting is when suicide is done as a rational act with planning, and consideration for others.

One major challenge is that careful premeditation does not necessarily mean suicide is rational. There is a big crossover between people who consider suicide and people with disorders negatively impacting their cognition and decision making.

Re: The undiscovered country: Can suicide be predicted?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The final act itself is either rational, or irrational. I think most people commit suicide as an irrational sudden decision. They may have thought about it, they may have planned about it, but I think there’s a clear delineation between someone who says screw it, and kills themselves, versus someone who plans and commits the act with thoughtful deliberation. To make it easier to understand, perhaps you might look at…

(sorry to be that guy, just a useful FYI) I think you may want "ultimate"? penultimate = second-to-last.

Ah! Thank you, you’re absolutely correct. I changed it to “final“.

Re: The undiscovered country: Can suicide be predicted?

#18

I would tend to assume suicide is fairly predictable with high sensitivity and the data many corporations have from surveillance of customers tbh.

Let's just say I get really concerned about my fairly stable, committed household when I get therapy and dating app ads...

Re: The undiscovered country: Can suicide be predicted?

#19
post #5

Just allow people the basic freedom to leave the fuck out of this world if they really want to. But no, that would mean one less entity to milk for labor and money.

Yeah, it's funny how no one gives a flying fuck about your suffering and will actively encourage it for their own benefit right up until you start talking about suicide. Of course, 90% of the time that's because they see an opportunity to sell you on a new drug, religion, or ideology.

Yeah, this bugs me too. We shouldn't be talking about suicide prevention. We should be talking about preventing suffering.

Re: The undiscovered country: Can suicide be predicted?

#20
post #5

Just allow people the basic freedom to leave the fuck out of this world if they really want to. But no, that would mean one less entity to milk for labor and money.

Yeah, it's funny how no one gives a flying fuck about your suffering and will actively encourage it for their own benefit right up until you start talking about suicide. Of course, 90% of the time that's because they see an opportunity to sell you on a new drug, religion, or ideology.

It often seems weird to me that any time a seemingly happy and successful celebrity commits suicide the underlying reasons and especially the mental state at the time are largely brushed away. Everyone is quick to praise them for their success, and be sympathetic to their "struggles" yet no one is willing to dig deep into anything.

"Successful" people suicides are incredibly interesting because it forces us to ask the question "were they ever happy?" yet it is a question usually ignored in most post suicide bio films that seem to come out immediately after. There is this idea that suicide has to be treated with quiet respect, and whispers at funerals...we keep ignoring the actual issues and brush suicide off as a "mistake in the moment". Bullshit, anyone who commits suicide has been contemplating it most of their lives.

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