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EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

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I’m amazed by how short sighted most of the comments here are. When it comes to large financial operations, society has clearly chosen transparency over privacy. Cause guess what, tax evasion, money laundering, political fixing, terrorism financing are things that exist and really are hurtful to our economies. Stop fantasizing that the government cares about the shit you buy. This is not about you. And Bitcoin’s anon…

The goal of bitcoin was to reduce the barriers that traditional financial systems have set in place.

From a 10 year old in the US to a 20 year old somewhere in Africa, bitcoin has no barriers and can be used just like that.

> You can’t show up in a bank with a bucket load of $100 bills and open an anonymous bank account. Well you shouldn’t be able to with bitcoins either.

So no, this statement goes against bitcoin and what it stands for.

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This kind of attitude usually comes from people who have not been prosecuted by their government or have not had a family history of it happening to their parents or grandparents. They probably trust their governments to an implicit degree. If you are escaping a 3rd world or 1st world shit hole and you are a target of an authoritarian, murderous regime, cash might be your only life line to get smuggled out of a count…

Absolutely, state trust is obviously a cultural thing and probably depends a lot on your current and past relationships with the state. And yes I trust state were I live. When I compare to the US, one explanation is that in my country, the state pays for security, health and education for example, so it's a win-win relationship (I pay quite a lot of taxes now, but given my family history, I would probably be hard wor…

No it doesn't work that way, because a re-monetization takes a long time and a lot of resources. Why re-monetize when you can use the system already in place?

In Iran, cash still worked and people used it to get smuggled out of the country, even when you were given 5 minutes to get out of your house and see it burn in front of your eyes, or neighbors would steal everything without consequence because you were now parted of a hated minority, you could still get cash via the minority community and family and get out.

If the revolution happened in 2040 vs 1979 iran or 1930s germany, and all finances were controlled by the centralized state via digital accounts, with your minority affiliation tags matched fairly well through a vast adtech apparatus, would those people really have that much to stand on? No, not nearly as much.

In germany during bismarck's time, they created the first welfare state in the 1880s. 30-50 years later the weimar republic, hitler and the holocaust happened. Just because the state is giving you something of value for your money TODAY, does not mean they will continue to do so TOMORROW in your lifetime.

I feel like you don't need %100 total financial surveillance to properly fund a welfare state about honestly minor amounts of cash, but governments are slowly trying to get there. It's very dangerous, and governments are always at risk to go full genocide. The rich use other methods and frauds and almost never use actual cash, other than businesses with a lot of small cash transactions (drugs). I don't think the current surveillance regime is very good for that purpose either.

Large scale criminal behavior is usually enabled by some other governmental policy. The US war of drugs basically funding the narco gang states of northern mexico and creating instability there is a great example of this.

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

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post #141

I’m amazed by how short sighted most of the comments here are. When it comes to large financial operations, society has clearly chosen transparency over privacy. Cause guess what, tax evasion, money laundering, political fixing, terrorism financing are things that exist and really are hurtful to our economies. Stop fantasizing that the government cares about the shit you buy. This is not about you. And Bitcoin’s anon…

How often does the government decide to give back power to the people just out of the goodness of their hearts?

How often does a career politician decide to step aside because someone else has better ideas?

All I'm saying is that there's no optimal solution here, it's all a balance.

I don't want to live in a government mandated box.

One of the biggest problems of the state has always been how to hold power accountable.

I can see a nightmare forming where one becomes a slave to their managerial class. Where everything is tracked and managed. No new ideas can form. No new paths can be taken. Everything is mercilessly beaten down as they don't obey the rules or the standards.

It all leads to stagnation and misery, and a few people making a killing off the backs of the majority.

Sure, very few people want to live in a total anarchy. But giving the state a total control over money and wealth seems like a complete solution to the too much freedom problem.

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> location independent companies That’s not a real thing

How is it not? A DAO with with the right setup would require international collaboration to extradite all the members and coerce them to unlock their holdings

Yes sure but most existing crypto players want to be able to drive their Lambo to a nice restaurant in San Francisco or London, not have to live in a cave in Belarus or Haiti as a fugitive from the civilised world.

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Is uniswap really decentralised? I mean it has a domain you can take down

No KYC. It's good enough for now.

You can see you used uniswap for your wallet activity so you are screwed if your wallet address is every audited in the not so distant future?

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I’m amazed by how short sighted most of the comments here are. When it comes to large financial operations, society has clearly chosen transparency over privacy. Cause guess what, tax evasion, money laundering, political fixing, terrorism financing are things that exist and really are hurtful to our economies. Stop fantasizing that the government cares about the shit you buy. This is not about you. And Bitcoin’s anon…

"society has clearly chosen transparency over privacy"

Instead of society, read political elite.

A random voter cannot choose a politician who is totally aligned with him on all thousand important topics. Much less so in America, a two-party system, where your choice is binary.

As a result, whatever the top brass does with regard to most topics, is what they want, not what society wants.

Notably, big business and important people still enjoy a lot of economic privacy that is being denied to us.

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Bitcoin's goal was to help people "get out" of the traditional financial system "not inside it". Everyone knows where the real money laundering and terrorist financing happens. It is done by the likes of HSBC, Standard Chartered and other big banks. This is public knowledge, as we have seen with the Panama papers and most recently the FinCen files. Our financial institutions are too rotten for you to even assume that…

Funny, right after 1100 crypto money launderers in China were arrested, nobody wanted any more Tethers. [1] Now my statements are entirely circumstantial, but I strongly suggest you watch this space. > The public security ministry said that by Wednesday afternoon police had busted more than 170 criminal groups involved in using cryptocurrencies to launder money. > China’s Payment & Clearing Association said on Wednes…

> nobody wanted any more Tethers

Can you provide a source on that? I certainly don’t want any Tethers but I know plenty of people that do.

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I'm not understanding your argument. You are against anonymous money? You realize what the alternative is? Credit cards. Ie you can only transact with visas permission, also they skim some cents off each transaction inflating all prices for all consumers. Have you heard about interest rates before? Because credit cards have the worst interest rate of any financial product. This is what centralized money gets us. The…

I use a debit card, I pay zero interest because I hold a positive balance at all times. Have you looked at fees on crypto "currencies" lately?

I can settle up to about 500k USD in stable coins on Solana for a fraction of a cent with minimal slippage on Orca.so or Saber.so.

The best price my friends could get sending fiat from country a to country b recently was 10 euros (with Wise) other options were 30+ euros. Keep in mind, this was for a few thousand. The fee would go up the higher the amount was.

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

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post #141

I’m amazed by how short sighted most of the comments here are. When it comes to large financial operations, society has clearly chosen transparency over privacy. Cause guess what, tax evasion, money laundering, political fixing, terrorism financing are things that exist and really are hurtful to our economies. Stop fantasizing that the government cares about the shit you buy. This is not about you. And Bitcoin’s anon…

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