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Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Post by samcal »

ahallock wrote: post #612
jackson1442 wrote: post #601

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If a business can’t afford to pay its employees enough make rent and buy groceries, perhaps it shouldn’t be a business?

In high school, I worked at a fast food joint to make a little extra money. There were no expectations to pay rent or other essentials. But you'll say that it's not kids working these jobs, so we need to provide a livable wage. What about getting these people skills for better jobs? I'd rather attack that problem than make Wendy's sandwich maker a viable career.

I agree (I think), we need either free college or a livable minimum wage or both to solve this problem. Disagree that we need to have any low-paying jobs at all, but I suppose your high school could run a fast food joint for the students, if we really need that sort of thing?

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Post by coldtea »

browningstreet wrote: post #498

I think some businesses are going out of businesses because they stubbornly refuse to raise their wages. In the vacation community where I live, there are two grocery/delis about a mile apart from each other. One is at a marina, the other is at a beach. They have almost the same business offering. Traditionally, both are fully mobbed during the sunny seasons. Two weeks ago, I visited the one I usually go to -- at the…

>I joked that maybe the owner was an old cahoot who remembered when a soda was $0.05 and there was no way they were going to raise their hourly wages to $15 or more.

But otherwise had no issue jacking their prices up to the heavens...

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Post by dimal »

WalterBright wrote: post #412
flunhat wrote: post #225

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But in that example, Columbia made students big promises that it simply couldn’t deliver. It’s more like a deeply dishonest salesman than a hapless waiter who gets your order wrong. From James Stoteraux: > Many of the students in my class who didn’t turn their degrees into industry success were insanely talented, but Columbia traded on its reputation to sell them big dreams that it could never deliver. > During my 2n…

> scam There is a legal concept called "due diligence" where a party to a contract is expected to take reasonable steps to know what they're doing. Googling "starting salaries for [my major]" is a very, very low bar for due diligence. The posts in this thread absolving the student from making any effort whatsoever at due diligence is illustrative of the point I was making.

Allowing any random 18 year old to sign for a $300,000 unsecured loan is insane. At that age, most people simply can’t calculate the risk they’re taking. At that age, you are programmed to think you’re invincible and take unreasonable risks. It’s why we send 18 year olds to war. No one else would take those odds.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Post by werber »

ahallock wrote: post #612
jackson1442 wrote: post #601

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a business can’t afford to pay its employees enough make rent and buy groceries, perhaps it shouldn’t be a business?

In high school, I worked at a fast food joint to make a little extra money. There were no expectations to pay rent or other essentials. But you'll say that it's not kids working these jobs, so we need to provide a livable wage. What about getting these people skills for better jobs? I'd rather attack that problem than make Wendy's sandwich maker a viable career.

But that doesn’t solve the problem for the people in those situations. It’s just saying that those jobs are deserving of slave wages

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Post by Droobfest »

SMAAART wrote: post #617
browningstreet wrote: post #498

I think some businesses are going out of businesses because they stubbornly refuse to raise their wages. In the vacation community where I live, there are two grocery/delis about a mile apart from each other. One is at a marina, the other is at a beach. They have almost the same business offering. Traditionally, both are fully mobbed during the sunny seasons. Two weeks ago, I visited the one I usually go to -- at the…

Most small shops are struggling, being 1 bad financial decision away from bankruptcy; doing business with no type of insurance whatsoever, and here and there stiffing some suppliers to make ends meet. So, there's no way they can afford to increase any expense, if they were to do that, they'd be out of business right away, so they continue floating away. These business owners are unfit to do business; so what is happe…

Economic darwinism for the small businesses. Economic socialism for the big companies.

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Post by FredPret »

lrdswrk00 wrote: post #618
FredPret wrote: post #387

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It took you… - 20 years of work - x years of study - being born with the right nature/nurture mix for computer work …to get to this point. That’s a very significant initial hump in difficulty that restaurant work doesn’t have.

I did both for multiple years. I know which one feels like work. Go work 20 years of Friday and Saturday nights in a popular restaurant. Does not have to be the same one, as the expectation is the same. The level of effort I need to put into coding dropped off exponentially. As one ages the level of effort out into restaurant work goes up. Let’s rely on science and not bias. Programming is still not sweatshop work on…

I know, I’ve done both too.

Why isn’t there a flood of ex-restaurant workers becoming software engineers? Because getting over that hump is really hard, statistically speaking.

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Post by coldtea »

itsoktocry wrote: post #530
browningstreet wrote: post #498

I think some businesses are going out of businesses because they stubbornly refuse to raise their wages. In the vacation community where I live, there are two grocery/delis about a mile apart from each other. One is at a marina, the other is at a beach. They have almost the same business offering. Traditionally, both are fully mobbed during the sunny seasons. Two weeks ago, I visited the one I usually go to -- at the…

> I think some businesses are going out of businesses because they stubbornly refuse to raise their wages I'm skeptical that a business would choose to go out of business rather that give raises. Have you considered that margins are tighter than you think? I know small businesses like that.

>Have you considered that margins are tighter than you think?

If they can't give a decent wage [1] then they were not a viable business to begin with, regardless whether they can find some poor souls to work for them. If it takes a mandatory minimum wage to reveal that and bring their demise, so be it - let them stop putting a band-aid on part of the economy and have better businesses take their place.

[1] Which is not the same as: a wage someone will capitulate and agree to work for - there are always e.g. unregistered immigrants, single mothers working 2 jobs, people in emergecy desperately needing anything they can get, kids who just see it as a temp gig to get some pocket money but otherwise live with their parents, and so on, that are desparate for near substinence - or even below substinence...

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Post by an_opabinia »

chrisseaton wrote: post #574
itsoktocry wrote: post #530

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> I think some businesses are going out of businesses because they stubbornly refuse to raise their wages I'm skeptical that a business would choose to go out of business rather that give raises. Have you considered that margins are tighter than you think? I know small businesses like that.

Am I the only person who thinks restaurant prices are pretty low? I'm sure they could go up quite a bit. Lunch out costs me maybe £15. Surely that could be £20 or so?

Like with everything, all that matters is whales. The kind of person who eats lunch out every day doesn't care if it's 20 GBP or whatever, so they'll keep paying whatever it costs to eat whatever they want. What'll happen is places without enough whales, like low foot traffic, will poop out or become ghost kitchens.

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

leesalminen wrote: post #535
mjevans wrote: post #502

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I think restaurants pull that crap in the US too, by not scheduling enough on the clock hours for cleanup after the store closes. It's why you'll see places lock the doors even 30 min or more before the listed closing time.

When I was young I worked at Dunkin’ Donuts. You’re right that we had 30 mins of cleaning after the store closed. We were paid for it and were never asked to clock out and work for free. But, sometimes on Friday nights we’d lock the doors 30 minutes early and clean just so we could get to enjoy our weekends 30 minutes sooner. That was pretty rare unless a manager happened to be there that evening and also wanted to g…

I worked a few fast food and restaurant jobs 10+ years ago and we were auto clocked out at closing, but were still required to clean up. I never did and I got let go 2 times for not working for free.
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