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EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

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Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#31
i'm shocked how ignorant these lawmakers are, trying to gain control over a decentralised structure

nobody asked them for this and even if this change ends up in bitcoin's core, it will ultimately fail to reach consensus

our wallets are none of your business, EU, get out!

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're already not allowed to move undeclared cash across borders, not sure why you can't have a rule that you can't have undeclared crypto wallets. That does not ban cryptography, that just forces people to declare their wallets.

This is completely unenforceable.

It's very enforceable, in a practical sense, for the majority of holders. Most people use services to exchange crypto for fiat. If you're in the EU, and use any such services, expect changes.

For the people that it isn't enforceable for, they're stuck either moving countries, hodling eternally, or laundering the cash they get in return for their crypto assets.

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#33
post #13

Cash wouldn't be allowed to be invented today.

Cash mostly isn't allowed today, if you are transferring large enough sums of money. Probably for the better.

Source of such bold claim? You can absolutely pay cash for (almost) anything. Even if you're buying a house, you can pay cash if both sides agree to it, and the solicitors check everything is legit and you can prove where you got the money from - but there is completely nothing in law that would prohibit such transaction from happening.

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're already not allowed to move undeclared cash across borders, not sure why you can't have a rule that you can't have undeclared crypto wallets. That does not ban cryptography, that just forces people to declare their wallets.

I mean, you are allowed to take up to 10k euro in cash with you across borders without reporting it(in the EU anyway), so there is a provision in the law for "small" amounts of money. There is nothing like that here - even if you want to use crypto to send someone 1 euro for something, you will have to register.

The 10K limit is just there to reduce admin cost. A Blockchain can be datained continuously at almost no cost

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#35
post #31

i'm shocked how ignorant these lawmakers are, trying to gain control over a decentralised structure nobody asked them for this and even if this change ends up in bitcoin's core, it will ultimately fail to reach consensus our wallets are none of your business, EU, get out!

From the bureaucrat's point of view, all of your assets are "yours" contingent only on the goodwill of the relevant regulations. Parable of the scorpion and turtle; expect neither more nor less.

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#36
post #3

"The new rules would also prohibit providing anonymous crypto-asset wallets." That's awful. Hosted wallets are an invitation for "exchanges" to steal.

What about generating your own wallet? Are EU citizens required to report that when they do?

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're already not allowed to move undeclared cash across borders, not sure why you can't have a rule that you can't have undeclared crypto wallets. That does not ban cryptography, that just forces people to declare their wallets.

I mean, you are allowed to take up to 10k euro in cash with you across borders without reporting it(in the EU anyway), so there is a provision in the law for "small" amounts of money. There is nothing like that here - even if you want to use crypto to send someone 1 euro for something, you will have to register.

There seems to be an exemption for crypto transfers up to 1K Euro. Source: https://ec.europa.eu/finance/docs/law/210720-proposal-funds-...

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#38
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you are allowed to take up to 10k euro in cash with you across borders without reporting it(in the EU anyway), so there is a provision in the law for "small" amounts of money. There is nothing like that here - even if you want to use crypto to send someone 1 euro for something, you will have to register.

The 10K limit is just there to reduce admin cost. A Blockchain can be datained continuously at almost no cost

Call me paranoid but I think governments of the 21st century ultimately want the ability to track every single transaction they can.

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cash mostly isn't allowed today, if you are transferring large enough sums of money. Probably for the better.

Source of such bold claim? You can absolutely pay cash for (almost) anything. Even if you're buying a house, you can pay cash if both sides agree to it, and the solicitors check everything is legit and you can prove where you got the money from - but there is completely nothing in law that would prohibit such transaction from happening.

In Spain soon it will be impossible to pay more than 1k in cash. Current limit is around 3k iirc. I guess it's the same in most EU countries.

Re: EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable

#40
post #31

i'm shocked how ignorant these lawmakers are, trying to gain control over a decentralised structure nobody asked them for this and even if this change ends up in bitcoin's core, it will ultimately fail to reach consensus our wallets are none of your business, EU, get out!

From the bureaucrat's point of view, all of your assets are "yours" contingent only on the goodwill of the relevant regulations. Parable of the scorpion and turtle; expect neither more nor less.

You will own nothing, and be happy. What are you going to do, rebel against the EU? \s
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