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If you’re interested in the topic, I recommend the MIT living wage research [1]. They’ve got probably the most useful calculator, letting you compare multiple scenarios. [1] https://livingwage.mit.edu/

This doesn't seem right. I plugged in San Francisco, and it quoted a $12.00/hr minimum wage. The actual minimum wage here is $16.32/hr.

They're using state level minimum wages, but that's just as inaccurate as using the federal minimum wage.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Were you only paid if you didn’t work? From what I understood the checks were given to everyone?

They're referring to unemployment benefits. I was surprised to find out that a friend's kid has been collecting them for a year - this person has a STEM degree and lost their job due to a fire at work, not COVID. Doesn't matter, the state gave blanket extension to unemployment benefits. In the past you could collect for only a few (maybe 6) months - not sure of that particular state's laws.

That makes sense though, because a blanket unemployment benefit extension is probably cheaper to implement than a bureaucratic mechanism to determine which jobs were lost as a result of COVID.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Wages/insurance/tips are an ongoing concern of food service work, but I want to set that aside and talk about the other half of the article. Customer entitlement is out of control and anybody who works with the general public will tell you it’s gotten even worse since the pandemic—and it wasn’t trending in the right direction before. Flight attendants, park rangers, government clerks, the anecdotes are everywhere, in…

> Customer entitlement is out of control It's not just customer entitlement. It's been a steadily rising thing throughout society for my whole life. People are less and less willing to accept responsibility for their choices, and more and more it's always someone else's fault. For example, a person who chose to go $300,000 into debt to go to Columbia film school, where the starting salary upon graduating is $30,000,…

I've changed my mind on this a few times, but I think schools or creditors should have some duty to not give out loans of this magnitude to 17-year olds with little to no financial literacy. The same way that a bank would not give you a huge loan with bad credit. Schools should also be extremely upfront about this type of financial information.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Restaurant work sucks, it's not tipping's fault. I don't work nearly as hard as a software developer compared to when I was a waiter or cook. Software development is lower stress most of the time too.

I knew someone who was mad at their partner because their partner was a software engineer and "didn't work as hard as they do" at a lower skill job, and yet made a lot more money. I'm not sure where this idea comes from that hard work is as valuable/more valuable than skilled work. But it seems to be a pervasive idea.

I'm not saying it's more valuable, just that it's less enjoyable.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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The restaurant industry has known the solution for a long time but everyone wants to pretend it would be too difficult. Stop the tipping guilt trip placed on the public, raise your prices 20%, and pay your employees a livable wage. The public will still show up to eat in your restaurant.

That may be the case for some....but that is not the case for all. For one ancedote, my father in-law runs a restaurant with my aunt in-law (his sister). They are the only workers, and split the profits evenly. They are in the midwest (low taxes), and own the restaurant's property/building. They were able to completely shut down during COVID and restart back up, and have survived several economic downturns.

They are still worried about the long term health of the business because of enternal cost increases (food, supplies, etc.), and are honestly thinking of just shutting down their restaurant and retiring rather than raising prices. They honestly think that if they raise their prices to get the same profit (NOT increase, just to keep it the same!) they have been getting, no one will come anymore because the cost is too much.

They by comparision to a lot of other business are lucky! They don't have to worry about rent at all, and they only have themselves to pay. Both also have other external sources of income (their spouses works), and have absolutely zero debt.

I can't imagine how it is for business that have rent (and possibly rent backpay) and employees they need to pay. I went to Northern VA (Reston) before and after COVID....so see almost all of the local restaurants and a great local grocery store wiped out because the property management were so unforgiving for rent.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Walmart and Amazon raising wages allows them to exercise their huge scale to further crush their competitors. With their huge efficiencies of scale and deep cash reserves, they are better able to offer higher wages than competitors. During the pandemic, both Walmart and Amazon have seen huge growth. They can continue this growth post-pandemic by squeezing their competitors on wages, and eventually emerging with less…

Being able to be more efficient and pass down savings to low prices and higher worker wages seem like a good thing.

Until there is only Walmart and Amazon left.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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It comes from classism. Historically, the people doing "hard work" were peasants, serfs, and other lower-class people. The people doing "skilled work" were the educated sons of nobility, and later of wealthy merchants. An awful lot of the unhealthy and destructive dynamic in our modern work can be traced to feudalism.

it is not, but carry on. Skilled, in late antiquity/mediaval times, meant the engineer doing trebuchet, or building ships, or building high quality steel, etc.. et.c.. it was actually hard work. None of them were things that the ruling class/aristocracy did. They just paid for it (with the levies/taxes they took from their land). Eventually another higher skilled level arised, as thinkers/scientists became hired by t…

You aren't refuting the class distinction the parent commenter was actually pointing out (serf/peasant class vs merchant/"middle" class). That there exists another distinction between the ruling class and "middle class" in feudal society does not negate the hierarchical relationship between said middle class and the laborer class.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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It's actually worse for physicians. Incomes not only declining due to increases in expenses, but reimbursements in Medicare dropping too, in nominal non inflation adjusted dollars. Yet the corporate side of organized healthcare is seeing healthy pay raises. Bottom Line: anyone who actually does the work gets shafted. Those who delegate win.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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The restaurant industry has known the solution for a long time but everyone wants to pretend it would be too difficult. Stop the tipping guilt trip placed on the public, raise your prices 20%, and pay your employees a livable wage. The public will still show up to eat in your restaurant.

Seems like an oversimplification to me. If the owners could simply raise prices by 20% and suffer no economic consequences, I have little doubt they would. Thus, I can only surmise that it is not as simple as that.

Owners most likely can raise prices 20% right now, but there's no guarantee that restaurant demand will continue to be so high. When demand falls, people will still remember the inflated prices and may choose to not eat there even if prices fall back down again.

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Restaurant work sucks, it's not tipping's fault. I don't work nearly as hard as a software developer compared to when I was a waiter or cook. Software development is lower stress most of the time too.

Some folks would say the same thing about software development sucking. I think it probably depends on which restaurant you work at and on your skill set and ability to thrive in that fast paced environment. The difference is that software is easier money if you have the knack for that type of work. But it’s like anything: you have folks who are passionate about cooking but not business savvy. They might be excellent…

In the end restaurant work is completely unfulfilling, largely because tons of customers treat you like shit. I've never experienced that as a software engineer. It's not even about the pay.
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