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Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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I find strange that line of thinking. That NASA and other space agencies use highly trained personnel like military pilots for space missions seems largely a historical accident. In "The Right Stuff", there is discussion on this topic, initially trapeeze artists were thought to be the ideal personnel for the space program due to the high dynamic forces they routinely experience. Another opinion being considered was t…

>"Finally it was decided to use military pilots from mostly a PR point of view." I suspect that decision making process was dramatized in The Right Stuff. Test pilots make sense for several reasons: they already understand aeronautical concepts, are used to g-forces, have experience with state of the art machines, have a high risk tolerance, and are already familiar with following orders.

I'm sure it was over-dramatized in the film (which I haven't seen, I'm just assuming they prioritized compelling storytelling based on the fact that it wasn't a public television documentary), but supposedly something like that decisionmaking process actually happened. For example, see Wikipedia's synopsis of the book, which was presumably at least somewhat more factual (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_Stuff_(book)#Book):

The storyline also involves the political reasons for putting people into space, asserting that the Mercury astronauts were actually a burden to the program and were only sent up for promotional reasons. Reasons for including living beings in spacecraft are barely touched upon, but the first option considered was to use a chimpanzee (and, indeed, chimpanzees were sent up first).

Another option considered was using athletes already accustomed to physical stress, such as circus trapeze artists. Wolfe states that President Dwight D. Eisenhower, however, insisted on pilots, even though the first crew members would not actually fly the spacecraft.

Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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That's not what they want the front page to be, it's the stuff you might like page. They have an actual page for your subscriptions if that's what you want to see.. I was always confuse in the beginning about all the creators and viewers saying they weren't seeing uploads till I realized people just weren't using the subscription tab.

Oh... TIL wow man I've been on YT for years

Sometimes it feels like there may have been something missing from the Subscriptions page too but I'm never sure if I just didn't see it because I'm subscribed a lot of places, but during the height of videos about "YouTube hiding my videos from you my subscribers" I wasn't missing any (that I noticed at least I suppose).

Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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Well to be fair, they don't compete with Walmart. Walmart almost doubled Amazon's revenue last year, and that was during the height of a pandemic, which naturally steered people towards more online orders, something you think would tip the scales in Amazon's favor.

have you _seen_ walmart.com? their online store rivals amazon easily.

Walmart.com ships only in the US. Not in Europe, Asia.

While Amazon has stores for all regions of the world that count.

Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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Comments in this thread complaining that the rich get to do whatever they want are forgetting that the wright brothers (and others) enabled flight for all of us even though most people during that time could only dream about it. It might not happen for you and I, but let's think about the bigger picture.

I want to be excited but I keep coming back to confusion over what the actual purpose of this will be. Flight has very clear benefits: getting you from A to B way faster than was ever possible before. With space flight there is no B to go to. You go up, you come down.

If these companies were making breakthroughs in making space long term habitable I’d be excited. But I’m yet to see that.

Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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The thing that amuses me is that if SpaceX can make Starship and the Heavy booster work, they could actually come up with a tourism/joyride that would blow these piffling jumps by Branson and Bezos into irrelevance. If you can send 50-100 people on an actual orbiting jaunt, perhaps a night in 'space rocket hotel', rich folk would gladly pay millions, which makes the business case a lot more compelling. Then they'd ju…

Yeah, the sub-orbital is a harder sell. When you are the only one or one of a few, the benefit/cost is perceived to be higher. After a dozen or so of these flights much of the cachet will be gone. Can they (Bezos/Branson) bring the cost down fast enough to transition to a sustainable model? In 2000, Dennis Tito paid $20M for 11,400 minutes in space or about $1750/minute ($2765 in 2021 dollars). The Branson and Bezos…

Honestly, I wish Branson and Bezos would have just put their dicks back in their pants and just fully got behind spaceX

I absolutely dont care about Bezos or Branson being able to do these stunts - SpaceX already docked with the IIS ffs.

It's like McClaren winning the Gran Prix, and then Toyota and Ford showing that their CEOs can finish a few laps in Monaco.

Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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Yeah I expected an orbit too. But it was their first manned mission, so I think it makes sense that it was a simpler thing. But it shouldn't have been such big news. It only was because there was a billionaire on board, and that's really dumb.

It was news because it was the first manned flight of a private launch provider. That doesn't happen often and it is an important milestone.

I dunno, that's "news" to be sure; certainly space nerds should care a lot, but they played the entire flight on The Today Show (I watched it). They did not play the entirety of the first manned SpaceX flight, which was a much bigger deal because (I'm pretty sure?) it was the first private manned launch. I'm not saying this flight wasn't news, I'm saying it wasn't mainstream news, except that it happened to have Jeff Bezos on it, and he's a celebrity because he's a billionaire. And that's a lame reason for it to be mainstream news, in my view. I don't love the celebrity billionaire stuff.

Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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If I drive onto the ferry am I part of the crew? I’ve been told (trained) on what to do and I’m equipped (my car), so am I a crew member? No, I’m just a passenger following the crew’s direction.

If you are the only one aboard then you are crew.

If the ferry is fully automated and I don't do anything beyond parking my car safely I wouldn't say I was crew then, I'm still just a passenger until I actually do something for the operation of the vehicle/craft.

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As the owner of several western hats, I'm curious about Jeff Bezos' hat. What's the story behind it? It does not fit him well. He obviously has the money to have whatever kind of crafted, perfectly styled hat he wants. Maybe something from his family?

Iirc this is in Texas so local affectation probably?

He's spent time on ranches, so probably knows how they're supposed to fit; this one's practically resting on his ears.

I'm curious if it's a hat that means something to him for some reason.

Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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> rich folk would gladly pay millions, which makes the business case a lot more compelling. I would say some would but keep in mind that a few other things have to come together. a) Willing to take the risk (non trivial example I would not do this no chance) b) Your family/spouse/girlfriend/boyfriend has to buy into the risk even if it's just you going into the orbit. c) Potential negative publicity as in 'look how t…

The publicity aspect would deter some, but it would attract others. By the time even 20 people have gone up, it won't be newsworthy, and then it will just be like buying a yacht. There are about 1.5 million people in the US worth $10 million or more, which is about where you need to be to comfortably afford this type of thing now, and another 10 million or so single digit millionaires, many of whom would take a signi…

I'm surprised we haven't heard of that scammer Blizarian trying to get on one of these flights yet...

Re: Blue Origin first human flight

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The analogy is tough because as far as I know there isn't an official definition of what a sailor is. Nor is there an internationally recognized registry like the "Fédération Aéronautique Internationale" which keeps track of people it considers Astronauts/Cosmonauts/Taiknonauts, etc.

There is an official definition of what a seaman/sailor is. Admiralty law is a thing [1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaman_status_in_United_States... [2] https://www.maritimeinjuryguide.org/maritime-lawsuit/qualifi...

Huh, I was wrong. Thank you for sharing.
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