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U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

wyuenho wrote: post #119
GordonS wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the US worked to fabricate evidence in collaboration with the UK too. The UK had an expert produce the so called "dodgy dossier", that was used as Blair's justification to follow the US into their illegal war. The media called it out as obvious bullshit, then the guy that produced the report allegedly committed a timely suicide.

But the EU didn't join the war.

The EU doesn't ever go to war. Individual EU countries do.

The UK, Spain, Italy and a few other EU countries took part in the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by cameronh90 »

billyhoffman wrote: post #61
dmix wrote: post #21

> Following Microsoft’s original disclosure in early March 2021, the United States Government also identified other vulnerabilities in the Exchange Server software. > Rather than withholding them, the United States Government recognized that these vulnerabilities could pose systemic risk and the National Security Agency notified Microsoft to ensure patches were developed and released to the private sector. Finally th…

The challenge the NSA has is it possesses 2 separate missions that are often in direct conflict: secure the communications of the United States, and to collect, eavesdrop, and compromise the communications of other countries. The United States Atomic Energy Commission of the 1950s and 60s had the same problem. Their mission was to both regulate nuclear power as well as research and promote the widespread adoption of…

In the UK we have the GCHQ and NCSC, which are in a sense what you're getting at.

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Post by NorwegianDude »

tablespoon wrote: post #181
throwaway4good wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is quite different from saying it is being done by the Chinese government. Read the uk ditto for comparison.

>> These activities can be linked to the hacker groups known as Advanced Persistent Threat 40 and Advanced Persistent Threat 31 and have been conducted from the territory of China for the purpose of intellectual property theft and espionage. > Which is quite different from saying it is being done by the Chinese government. Who in China would be more likely to organize an espionage campaign? Espionage is a game played…

There is a "slight" difference between getting/finding a nuke and a vurnerability.

There is also a "slight" difference in the difficulty of moving a nuke and a vurnerability across borders to launch it.

It's simply hard to know where data is coming from on the internet.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by cbnotfromthere »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #241
wyuenho wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the EU didn't join the war.

The EU doesn't ever go to war. Individual EU countries do. The UK, Spain, Italy and a few other EU countries took part in the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Why would you call it "illegal"? I'm not trolling, I'm curious.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by LatteLazy »

Let's assume this is true for a moment. Now what?

China have:

* crushed protest at home and moved deeper into dictatorship

* shat all over the 1 country 2 systems agreement and strangled what little democracy there was in HK

* started a mini ground war with their nuclear armed neighbour India

* launched multiple pandemics, the latest costing the world trillions in lost output and millions of deaths

* started a Genocide internally

And were not willing to do anything are we? No so much as a sanction or an embargo except for Australia, who've been left to twist in the wind.

So now China hacked some shit? Great. What are we gonna do? Nothing because no one wants to pay interest on their borrowing or 3p more for pointless plastic shit they don't need from amazon.

/Rant.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by sumedh »

elefanten wrote: post #168
refenestrator wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about the specific allegations, it's about the posture and priorities of the security state. A few years ago, we ran out of fear and urgency on the Islamic terror thing and now we need a new top dog bad guy.

So, in your view, is security simply not a problem? Is it all a giant lie to fund the security state? If not, where do you draw the line between real/legitimate security concerns vs. the fake ones?

> is security simply not a problem?

What problem did US solve by invading Iraq?

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by Goety »

wyuenho wrote: post #119
GordonS wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the US worked to fabricate evidence in collaboration with the UK too. The UK had an expert produce the so called "dodgy dossier", that was used as Blair's justification to follow the US into their illegal war. The media called it out as obvious bullshit, then the guy that produced the report allegedly committed a timely suicide.

But the EU didn't join the war.

The EU does not have a foreign policy thus will never go to war. France has tried to boost their MIC as an alternative to the US and in doing so actively sought to damage US goals.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by Goety »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #241
wyuenho wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the EU didn't join the war.

The EU doesn't ever go to war. Individual EU countries do. The UK, Spain, Italy and a few other EU countries took part in the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (chemical) and they didnt find evidence of nuclear weapons outside the email trail inside their military.

It was not illegal

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