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Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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As shown both in the article and in the comments, scientific establishment seems content to tolerate fraud. But when research goes against big money interests, suddenly standards become very strict. See how Andrew Wakefield was treated. https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452

Wakefield was treated far too leniently? He's lucky that he only got struck off, and far too late. He managed to get a lot of media complicity, too.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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Thankyou for the tip. I'Ll look into it tomorrow.

No, thank you! Austria has a weird thing with pseudoscience scams [0][1][2] and it needs to be dealt with. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belebtes_Wasser [1] The current Minister of Economy was working as an "energizer" https://www.diepresse.com/5395317/wirtschaftsministerin-schr... [2] During the construction of a hospital in Vienna, an "energetic" ring was built around the construction site for 95000 Euro. https…

@OriginalNebula There is also this

https://www.air-innovation.fr/en/produit/vague-de-bien-etre-...

and were installed into hospitals in austria at great cost

https://www.salzburg24.at/news/salzburg/wo-in-salzburg-noch-...

Unsurprisingly the owner of powerinsole a Mr Martin Masching is also involved in this enterprise via

https://geowave-shop.at/epages/c0f45b90-03b3-4b2d-8e1d-55912...

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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Actually, companies pay universities to conduct fake research that "shows" that their products work.

That's a good point. But if the companies are paying for research in how to build better products, they aren't going to pay for bullshit research.

It has happened before i.e. Hendrik Schon, however these incidents are more to do with humanity as a species than their employers.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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post #84

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Can you be sued for asking questions?

You can be sued by anyone, for anything, at any time. Whether or not that lawsuit has any merit is irrelevant. With certain exceptions based on subject matter (e.g. SLAPP) or jurisdiction, it still costs money to hire a lawyer to defend against the suit.

American law does not apply in Austria

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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post #106

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You can be sued by anyone, for anything, at any time. Whether or not that lawsuit has any merit is irrelevant. With certain exceptions based on subject matter (e.g. SLAPP) or jurisdiction, it still costs money to hire a lawyer to defend against the suit.

I don't think that's how things work in most European countries. Yes, there are costs but they will be covered by the loser. No way this person loses against these particular fraudsters

Also, a lot of the cases these lawsuits in EU countries are thrown out because of how absurd they are.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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post #79
post #49

As shown both in the article and in the comments, scientific establishment seems content to tolerate fraud. But when research goes against big money interests, suddenly standards become very strict. See how Andrew Wakefield was treated. https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452

There's the famous story of the doctor who figured out, in the 1980s, how to cure stomach ulcers.[1] Stomach ulcers are usually a bacterial disease, and antibiotics work. The microbiologists in Brussels loved it, and by March of 1983 I was incredibly confident. During that year Robin and I wrote the full paper. But everything was rejected. Whenever we presented our stuff to gastroenterologists, we got the same campai…

Sounds like ivermectin is going through something similar. This off-patent, cheap, and safe drug is able to significantly reduce COVID-19 symptoms [0], and is extremely likely to be a potent prophylactic and treatment for COVID-19 [1], to the extent that the third wave in North America wouldn't have happened if it was used. The inventor, Satoshi Omura, won a Nobel Prize for inventing the drug in 2015, and tried to convince Merck (the original manufacturer) for many months to conduct an ivermectin trial for COVID-19, to no avail. On July 1st, he finally found a Japanese company called Kowa to charitably conduct a clinical trial for ivermectin, without Merck's help. Amazing right? But what response does Omura get from Western media? Quickly, his announcement video was deleted from YouTube [2]. You cannot find any English news about the Kowa trial being conducted. A few days ago, Omura was interviewed about ivermectin for the first time, on Yahoo Japan News [3]. Quoting him (using non-ideal Google Translate)

> "My impression of WHO is that I feel sorry for being caught in a dilemma. Until now, I have only seen bright light in my life as a researcher. But this time, I learned for the first time after reading this article that shadows also exist in the world... Ivermectin is no longer a scientific issue, but a political issue." --Satoshi Omura

It seems like big tech's misinformation crusade is biting us and science in the ass.

[0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33495752/

[1]: https://academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/of...

[2]: https://twitter.com/michaelcapuzzo/status/141062676916673331...

[3]: https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/92c85ad9476f56a6fc51daec56...

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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I recently had the privilege of trying to do the right thing when I identified fraudulent research carried out by an institution in Austria. The initial response of the institution was positive but when I pressed for further details on how such things could happen suddenly nobody anymore would take my call. The research was paid for by a private company to pimp a nonsense product. The research was never published in…

Can you be sued for asking questions?

I would kinda hope that phrasing stuff as a question wouldn't affect the viability of a lawsuit one way or the other.

Otherwise I'd expect people to leak trade secrets as a series of questions, leak top secret info as a series of questions, etc.

I kinda hope it's the underlying substance, not how you phrase it, that determines this sort of thing :)

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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No, thank you! Austria has a weird thing with pseudoscience scams [0][1][2] and it needs to be dealt with. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belebtes_Wasser [1] The current Minister of Economy was working as an "energizer" https://www.diepresse.com/5395317/wirtschaftsministerin-schr... [2] During the construction of a hospital in Vienna, an "energetic" ring was built around the construction site for 95000 Euro. https…

@OriginalNebula There is also this https://www.air-innovation.fr/en/produit/vague-de-bien-etre-... and were installed into hospitals in austria at great cost https://www.salzburg24.at/news/salzburg/wo-in-salzburg-noch-... Unsurprisingly the owner of powerinsole a Mr Martin Masching is also involved in this enterprise via https://geowave-shop.at/epages/c0f45b90-03b3-4b2d-8e1d-55912...

I think its time you contact some investigative journalists with this Powerinsole/Geowave connection.

https://twitter.com/florianklenk klenk@falter.at

https://twitter.com/ThomasWalach redaktion@zackzack.at

https://twitter.com/mnikbakhsh nikbakhsh.michael@profil.at

https://twitter.com/ukschmid

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