As shown both in the article and in the comments, scientific establishment seems content to tolerate fraud. But when research goes against big money interests, suddenly standards become very strict. See how Andrew Wakefield was treated. https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452
Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
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Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thankyou for the tip. I'Ll look into it tomorrow.
No, thank you! Austria has a weird thing with pseudoscience scams [0][1][2] and it needs to be dealt with. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belebtes_Wasser [1] The current Minister of Economy was working as an "energizer" https://www.diepresse.com/5395317/wirtschaftsministerin-schr... [2] During the construction of a hospital in Vienna, an "energetic" ring was built around the construction site for 95000 Euro. https…
https://www.air-innovation.fr/en/produit/vague-de-bien-etre-...
and were installed into hospitals in austria at great cost
https://www.salzburg24.at/news/salzburg/wo-in-salzburg-noch-...
Unsurprisingly the owner of powerinsole a Mr Martin Masching is also involved in this enterprise via
https://geowave-shop.at/epages/c0f45b90-03b3-4b2d-8e1d-55912...
Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, companies pay universities to conduct fake research that "shows" that their products work.
That's a good point. But if the companies are paying for research in how to build better products, they aren't going to pay for bullshit research.
Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
#144Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you be sued for asking questions?
You can be sued by anyone, for anything, at any time. Whether or not that lawsuit has any merit is irrelevant. With certain exceptions based on subject matter (e.g. SLAPP) or jurisdiction, it still costs money to hire a lawyer to defend against the suit.
Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can be sued by anyone, for anything, at any time. Whether or not that lawsuit has any merit is irrelevant. With certain exceptions based on subject matter (e.g. SLAPP) or jurisdiction, it still costs money to hire a lawyer to defend against the suit.
I don't think that's how things work in most European countries. Yes, there are costs but they will be covered by the loser. No way this person loses against these particular fraudsters
Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
#147As shown both in the article and in the comments, scientific establishment seems content to tolerate fraud. But when research goes against big money interests, suddenly standards become very strict. See how Andrew Wakefield was treated. https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452
There's the famous story of the doctor who figured out, in the 1980s, how to cure stomach ulcers.[1] Stomach ulcers are usually a bacterial disease, and antibiotics work. The microbiologists in Brussels loved it, and by March of 1983 I was incredibly confident. During that year Robin and I wrote the full paper. But everything was rejected. Whenever we presented our stuff to gastroenterologists, we got the same campai…
> "My impression of WHO is that I feel sorry for being caught in a dilemma. Until now, I have only seen bright light in my life as a researcher. But this time, I learned for the first time after reading this article that shadows also exist in the world... Ivermectin is no longer a scientific issue, but a political issue." --Satoshi Omura
It seems like big tech's misinformation crusade is biting us and science in the ass.
[0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33495752/
[1]: https://academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/of...
[2]: https://twitter.com/michaelcapuzzo/status/141062676916673331...
[3]: https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/92c85ad9476f56a6fc51daec56...
Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
#148I recently had the privilege of trying to do the right thing when I identified fraudulent research carried out by an institution in Austria. The initial response of the institution was positive but when I pressed for further details on how such things could happen suddenly nobody anymore would take my call. The research was paid for by a private company to pimp a nonsense product. The research was never published in…
Can you be sued for asking questions?
Otherwise I'd expect people to leak trade secrets as a series of questions, leak top secret info as a series of questions, etc.
I kinda hope it's the underlying substance, not how you phrase it, that determines this sort of thing :)
Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, thank you! Austria has a weird thing with pseudoscience scams [0][1][2] and it needs to be dealt with. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belebtes_Wasser [1] The current Minister of Economy was working as an "energizer" https://www.diepresse.com/5395317/wirtschaftsministerin-schr... [2] During the construction of a hospital in Vienna, an "energetic" ring was built around the construction site for 95000 Euro. https…
@OriginalNebula There is also this https://www.air-innovation.fr/en/produit/vague-de-bien-etre-... and were installed into hospitals in austria at great cost https://www.salzburg24.at/news/salzburg/wo-in-salzburg-noch-... Unsurprisingly the owner of powerinsole a Mr Martin Masching is also involved in this enterprise via https://geowave-shop.at/epages/c0f45b90-03b3-4b2d-8e1d-55912...
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