It's not so much as punishing people for weed but punishing them for knowingly breaking the law right? Maybe locking people up is a bit harsh but people know the consequences no? Maybe we should recognize that there is value in having people in a society follow the rule of law.
Surgeon general: No 'value' to locking people up over marijuana use
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#12Curious what's the opinion of the HN community on decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. It seems accepted as an inevitable progress. But seeing the damage alcohol and tobacco does to society, I wonder what good it will bring, except from an economic PoV.
Allowing drugs and other vices for the sake of economic prosperity is sad and goes against progress for humanity. I live next door to someone that smokes non-stop everyday and the second-hand smoke pisses me off to no end.
Stop and think about how your attitude is trapping humanity in a box. Live a little. Be open to change. Understand others perspective.
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#13The value was explained back in the Nixon era, and it was a BAD value: " “You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up…
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#14Curious what's the opinion of the HN community on decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. It seems accepted as an inevitable progress. But seeing the damage alcohol and tobacco does to society, I wonder what good it will bring, except from an economic PoV.
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#15Curious what's the opinion of the HN community on decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. It seems accepted as an inevitable progress. But seeing the damage alcohol and tobacco does to society, I wonder what good it will bring, except from an economic PoV.
Allowing drugs and other vices for the sake of economic prosperity is sad and goes against progress for humanity. I live next door to someone that smokes non-stop everyday and the second-hand smoke pisses me off to no end.
Capitalists want to legalize for profit.
SJWs want to legalize to reduce the prison population.
Libertarians want to legalize because one should be free to choose what they do with their bodies.
Users want to legalize because they don't want to deal with the risk, and prefer above-board retail.
Your characterization of smoking as a "vice" is your personal belief, and personally speaking, I see forcing that belief on others as a vice.
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#16Curious what's the opinion of the HN community on decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. It seems accepted as an inevitable progress. But seeing the damage alcohol and tobacco does to society, I wonder what good it will bring, except from an economic PoV.
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#17Curious what's the opinion of the HN community on decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. It seems accepted as an inevitable progress. But seeing the damage alcohol and tobacco does to society, I wonder what good it will bring, except from an economic PoV.
I'm a habitual user with a hereditary predisposition towards addictive behavior. Moving to the Bay Area for work 7 years ago was the best move for my banking account(s) and the worst move for my life overall. The few years in between the move and the ability for me to walk into a store and walk out with a gram of THC across various products - all obtained above the board - were some of the most productive and socially rewarding years of my life. I was clean and not within hundreds or thousands miles of anyone who could serve me my biggest lifelong vice. I'm too weak. It took a few months after the change for me to cave in. I've missed weddings. I've lost friends because I've had season-long depressive episodes where I just can't bring myself to respond to any messages - all I have the energy and drive to do is crank out JIRA tickets and then go alter reality. I'm actually just past the tail end of one now and I still have a four-figure notification backlog.
Deep in my heart I know that it is a personal problem and it is entirely up to me to defeat my own demons. But I'm the uncaught NullPointerException that surfaced when my community removed the societal defensive programming around marijuana. I wish it were still illegal.
EDIT: and to preempt a "you weren't really addicted if you never went to get a farcical medical card" - believe me, the itch was there. But it was that extra level of indirection that kept me honest and on the straight and narrow. Every time I came close, the non-immediate reward was enough of a deterrence that I could make the rational choice.
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#18Curious what's the opinion of the HN community on decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. It seems accepted as an inevitable progress. But seeing the damage alcohol and tobacco does to society, I wonder what good it will bring, except from an economic PoV.
Allowing drugs and other vices for the sake of economic prosperity is sad and goes against progress for humanity. I live next door to someone that smokes non-stop everyday and the second-hand smoke pisses me off to no end.
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#19Curious what's the opinion of the HN community on decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. It seems accepted as an inevitable progress. But seeing the damage alcohol and tobacco does to society, I wonder what good it will bring, except from an economic PoV.
I see a pendulum in motion. When Sherlock Holmes was written, we had a very different view on drug use. Back then, it was a capitalist/libertarian utopia, where folks could generally cook up, sell, and use, pretty much anything they could manage. In the early 20th century, abstinence movements got popular, and everything including alcohol was criminalized. Today, we've got (depending where you live) legal alcohol, legal weed, open sales of hallucinogens, and safe injection sites for opiates.
Meth, weird to me, doesn't appear to be a big priority and it's huge in organized crime. Opiates are the villain of today, and the result of that may lead to a sharper distinction between "hard" and "soft" drugs.
There's a big conversation underway about UBI -- opponents see it as encouraging "laziness," which, any honest stoner will admit, cannabis encourages. That could end up swinging the pendulum back the other way. I don't really see any of this as permanent or inevitable