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Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

#91
People cite paper titles like they are facts. Nobody even knows whether or not it was an epidemiology study or an interventional study, they just say “they did a study showing that underwater basket weaving lowers your risk for colon cancer!” Nobody actually reads the studies.

During a debate or conversation, many people cite studies in support of their point of view. This is a problem because now the other person is swamped with a dozen studies to analyze and debunk before proving he’s right. And academia is producing huge volumes of these bullshit studies so no matter how you slice it, a huge unnecessary burden has been created of digging through all of them and circling the flaws.

Thankfully, there is an emerging cultural mechanism to deal with this in the growing “epidemiology is bullshit” sentiment. This is good because it reduces the bulk of bullshit that will ultimately need to be processed and debunked. If the study is epidemiology just cross it out by default. Those studies need to burn in hell. Shine the light of day on them and brandish the holy crucifix whenever you see one.

The only thing worse than a science denier is a person who blindly parrots study titles without ever reading the body of the paper let alone understand it. People complain endlessly about armchair scientists who are spreading misinformation based on their uneducated assessment of scientific data. And the people who complain about this are always the same people who cite studies that they don’t understand like complete idiots, spreading misinformation just as widely.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

#92
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I recently had the privilege of trying to do the right thing when I identified fraudulent research carried out by an institution in Austria. The initial response of the institution was positive but when I pressed for further details on how such things could happen suddenly nobody anymore would take my call. The research was paid for by a private company to pimp a nonsense product. The research was never published in…

Did you contact Arbeiterkammer, VKI or Peter Kolba?

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

#93
I work on large multi-center clinical trials as a machine learning engineer. One of my projects involves the semi-automation of the detection of fraudulent data.

There's one link in the chain here missing that some people here seem to be ignoring. The authors of this post (while entirely correct) draw no link between "bad data" (which is doubtlessly responsible for a large number of "bad papers"/"bad trials") and "bad clinical practice."

I don't know a single clinician who would base their care on the findings of a single-center RCT of the kind described in this article. Or the findings of a meta-analysis of single-center RCTs, for that matter.

Bad data happens in multi-center RCTs too, and in fact that's what I'm focused on, but a lot of work already (and therefore $, for the cynical) goes into the validation of data (see [1] for a brief description). Phase III clinical trials in the west practically require a robust multi-center RCT, where systemic fraud is very difficult to perform (but not impossible [2]). By the time a Phase III trial is conducted, the efficacy of the drug can already be estimated, and the focus of the drug company (who yes, often fund these trials) is to conduct a trial which is unimpeachable in the face of a regulatory board (who are generally good at their jobs, although the revolving-door tends to reduce public trust and should be legislated away).

In short, I support most of the proposed changes to incentives around publish-or-perish. I reject the notion that these incentives are (currently) significant drivers of decreased quality of standard of care in the West. I think global governance structures, as suggested in this article, could improve understanding among both clinicians who are not necessarily scientists and the general public about just how validated a given standard of care is.

tl;dr Most good evidence-based practitioners already think this way -- not because they inherently believe fraud is rampant, necessarily, but because evidence says the kinds of studies where fraud is most prevalent are untrustworthy for other reasons.

[1] doi:10.1177/1740774512447898

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4340084/

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

#94

why just health research? all science is already based on that very principle. In fact, a stronger one: you cannot ever prove that some research is "true", only that no inconsistency has yet been observed.

Replicating the results would be evidence that the original research was "true."

Unfortunately nobody wants to fund research that only attempts to replicate an already published result, when they could spend the same money on novel research.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

#96
“He is now sceptical about all systematic reviews, particularly those that are mostly reviews of multiple small trials.”

This describes basically all “meta analyses” of Covid claims, especially the effectiveness of masking and lockdown. This is at the heart of “epidemiology” which is, as far as I can tell, the science of organizing data to meet predetermined political demands.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

#97

I was terrified approximately 14 months ago when the big pharma companies started to get billions to develop the vaccine. My fear was that their research was fraudulent and they would be exposed and discredit science as a whole. I am very happy that this did not happen. I guess we are not in a total catastrophe situation but there is significant rot.

That would never happen. Too much political capital is invested in the success of the vaccines.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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I recently had the privilege of trying to do the right thing when I identified fraudulent research carried out by an institution in Austria. The initial response of the institution was positive but when I pressed for further details on how such things could happen suddenly nobody anymore would take my call. The research was paid for by a private company to pimp a nonsense product. The research was never published in…

Can you be sued for asking questions?

IANAL but my gut tells me no, unless you're in a place like Russia, North Korea, China, most of the Middle East, parts of Africa and Latin America, and some parts of the former Soviet Bloc. In western nations, you might get arrested for asking questions if it upsets the powers that be and they deem you a nuisance.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

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I recently had the privilege of trying to do the right thing when I identified fraudulent research carried out by an institution in Austria. The initial response of the institution was positive but when I pressed for further details on how such things could happen suddenly nobody anymore would take my call. The research was paid for by a private company to pimp a nonsense product. The research was never published in…

I have a personal philosophy on most health oriented fads: if someone is actively trying to sell something, it's snake oil. Too many people are looking for everlasting life that they're okay with being swindled in the pursuit of it. Naive enough to believe that people are honest when promoting products they're were paid to promote.

Re: Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?

#100
I've had a thought on how to solve this issue by using basically a research paper futures market. You could implement this with Ethereum Smart Contracts. You have a market around the validity of research papers. You would need some authority that would act as the oracle of the paper's validity. If the paper is found invalid before some time period the people who bet on the paper's truth would lose their money to the people skeptical of a paper. This would also act as a mechanism to signal which papers people don't trust by the amount of people betting against a paper's validity.
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