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Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV

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Post by pdimitar »

tyingq wrote: post #105
pdimitar wrote: post #90

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Gods, that's even worse then! So NVIDIA will have to deal with Google just randomly deciding to monetize a launcher...?

Yes, that's the essence of the problem. Android TV devices have to use Google's launcher as the default, or they have to go fully on their own, without Google services, like a FireTV device.

Well, it seems that Google (and various other corporations) are finally entering their endgame and are showing their true colors. I am eager to find out if the world can fight back meaningfully.

Here's hoping. {raises glass}

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Post by seanp2k2 »

cameldrv wrote: post #94
pdimitar wrote: post #77

I might be the dumbest observer on these trends around here but does it seem to somebody else that this is a normal part of the end-of-life lifecycle of many devices and that it usually goes like this... - "Sir, sales are falling... we actually haven't had new sales in months". - "How much does it cost to support the infrastructure for these devices?" - "X million a month". - "Feck it. Cram ads into them, we're not s…

I remember when Apple used to charge for MacOS and iOS updates. In many ways this aligned incentives much better. Many of the MacOS and iOS updates in the past few years have mostly existed to drive subscription revenue for their new services. I'd love them to actually have to deliver real value with software updates and be paid for it.

The whole iCloud “omg almost out of space!!” nag screens really irked me on iOS, and doubly so because of their usage of private APIs to both show those nag screens and how the iCloud service works in a way that no other service can, again due to the private APIs they use. I pay for it now begrudgingly because it does “just work”, but I also hate them for it as I’d rather have a choice of cloud storage providers that could automatically back my photos up in the same reliable and integrated way that iCloud does.

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Post by hn_go_brrrrr »

pdimitar wrote: post #84
tyingq wrote: post #71

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>My hope is that Nvidia will just develop a launcher I don't see that they have a choice. Nobody is going to pay for a premium device that shoves ads in your face. Roku has ads, but they are less aggressive, so I imagine they would start picking up Nvidea customers. The bad review bombing hit both nVidea apps and Google's AndroidTV launcher pretty hard: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nvidia.teg...…

They'll just delete the bad reviews after the initial PR storm subsides. Various big apps have been "caught" in the past doing it. Apparently if you have Google's ear then everything is possible under the table. This also reminds me of the famous BlizzCon where they announced Diablo Immortal -- where the Chinese exec infamously exclaimed (after the audience started booing): "Do you guys not have phones?" -- when the…

They won't even wait that long. If they can find anyone on the internet telling other people to go give negative reviews to an app, they claim all negative reviews are due to that call to action. That gives them "justification" to delete all of them as "inauthentic".

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Post by treesknees »

harpersealtako wrote: post #42
wildrhythms wrote: post #13

It's really incredible how the average American home spends some $116/mo for television[1], and is still subjected to 16 minutes of advertisements per hour of entertainment. [1] https://www.doxo.com/insights/united-states-of-bill-pay-doxo...

>$116/mo for television The link you posted says that's cable and internet, not television.

Do you just watch DVDs and use an OTA antenna?

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Post by seneca »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #100
Covzire wrote: post #38

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I haven't had cable for about 15 years now, and commercials are a big reason. But it's not even just the commercials, I just wasn't interested in the six hundreth special on Nostradamus or aliens on the history channel, or shows purportedly about space exploration that are 50% CGI and 49% speculation masquerading as observations or any kind of "reality shows". Yes and nothing makes me feel like my brain cells are com…

Yep; either show me ads and give me the content for free, or (ideally give me the option) let me pay and don’t show ads. If product people / The MBAs at a company think that there should still be ads on the paid version, consider what those are worth. I haven’t seen anyone try it, but consider a model of three options: 1. Free with lots of ads, 2. Paid but cheap with less ads, 3. Most costly but no ads. Basically, I…

> I haven’t seen anyone try it, but consider a model of three options: 1. Free with lots of ads, 2. Paid but cheap with less ads, 3. Most costly but no ads.

This is essentially what Amazon does (did?) with their Fire tablets, excluding the completely free tier. There is an ad subsidized version and a more expensive ad free version of the same hardware.

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Post by RandallBrown »

wlesieutre wrote: post #101
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #24

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As an iOS user, there's a couple weird ones: Apple prohibits apps from putting ads in notifications, but sends a notification ad for every new Apple TV+ show. "Rules for thee, but not for me"

Apple no longer prohibits ads in notifications as of March last year https://9to5mac.com/2020/03/04/apple-now-allows-push-notific... Good way to get your notification privileges revoked though. I wish Apple would add granular notification categories within apps so that you could approve particular types of notifications while denying others. A quick google says Android 8 did this in 2017. Apple's policy on this is to…

Apple is adding something like what you want in iOS 15. https://openback.com/blog/wwdc-2021-ios-15-push-notification...

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Post by drakenot »

I followed some instructions online to install a Launcher Manager and then installed the Wolf Launcher. I now just have rows of icons which I can customize.

I would have tolerated some minimal amount of ads in a few tile locations but the new Android TV launcher's ads were taking up a huge amount of screen space.

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Post by somebody_amzn »

holoduke wrote: post #93
sdflhasjd wrote: post #6

My shield updated to this the other day. I'm pretty furious about it, it's not a cheap device, and it's certainly not Google's. To be adding these "features" without asking, irrespective of whatever agreement between me, Nvidia or Google exists, is ridiculous. I know it's in whatever terms I, uh, "accepted", but there's just no escaping it in this day and age. Fortunately, I know how to use ADB and just installed ano…

Do you know a guide on rooting the device? I also would like to put youvanced on it. Cannot really find info about it.

https://developer.nvidia.com/shield-developer-os-images

With more resources at: https://developer.nvidia.com/shield-open-source

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