First link in my "Shared with me" tab in google drive
Falung Gong will never leave me alone !
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FimYh4ES-ZggupJFmjj_Firdkhj...
Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”
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American society has been slowly convinced, and then the rest of the world by extension, that this was absolutely necessary to combat the next big threat. First it was to "combat hate", that speech was limited according to what partisan big tech companies decided was fair. It was said it had real-life consequences. Harm. So it should be banned. Then anything from certain parties or ideologies became hate if labeled s…
U.S. barely has "hate speech" laws, so I don't know what you're talking about there. "Big tech" decided to ban people for being hateful to others on their platforms. Those platforms don't exist for your protection against government actors. Nor should it.
I think you're arguing a strawman and didn't really address anything I said.
Of course, my point is seemingly unpopular in very partisan websites where it's seen as a rep/dem or left/right issue (US centric) but the fact that we see more and more of these types of articles (today an EFF one) shows there's more of us, concerned by this arbitrating of truth by a certain group of ideologes and the people who agree with them where they leverage their power to prescribe what speech is worth transmitting and which is worth censoring.
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Though that's what happens, I don't think people call that misinformation but rather bias. Isn't misinformation factually wrong in the common meaning?
I think it's less about being factually wrong, and more about leading people to factually wrong conclusions with truthful statements. Even just saying "X sells stock Y before event Z" imples that X knew about event Z and that it would affect the stock price of Y. People will read headlines like this and walk away assuming there was insider trading, but that may not be the case. Nothing in that example headline has to…
Sure, that's a common technique, but would you really call it misinformation? I would call it misleading. Otherwise most of the financial press is misinformation and the word becomes kind of meaningless.
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>You cannot have true democracy if people cannot disagree with their governments, they must be able to disagree with any truth or opinion such a government might consider self-evident, just on the off chance they're right. Google is not the government. It's a private company owned by private citizens who also have the same constitutional rights. You're not being 'censored'. It's not a violation of your free speech. Y…
> You're not being 'censored' .. It's not a violation of your free speech... You're free to petition The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. > It's a private company owned by private citizens who also have the same constitutional rights. The scale at which Google operates today, anything short of defining some of its popular products as public utilities would be disingenuous…
> The scale at which Google operates today, anything short of defining some of its popular products as public utilities would be disingenuous.
Look at that from the perspective of a startup founder. You've made a thing. Spent decades working on it. It became popular because many people found it useful. So useful in fact, that they've decided that it would be nice if you didn't own it anymore, and they owned it instead.
Laws should be the same for everyone. If you're not okay with other people deciding that they own your stuff, don't tell others what to do with the things they've created.
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Imagine if Britain had this same technology when the USA was founded... It of course would have quickly cracked down on communications and it would have done so in the name of "peace" and "what's right"... This idea that thinking critically of a government and even believing that perhaps the government as it stands today is not the government "of and for the people" (sure could be interpreted as anti-democracy by tha…
If the American revolution had happened 100 years later it would have looked like the Boer war. That's the war where the British used barbed wire and the machine gun to invent the concentration camp.
> If the American revolution had happened 100 years later it would have looked like the Boer war.
Smart. It would have. That is indeed how you fight an insurgency.
Not sure how new it really is though. Compare and contrast to the Harrying of the North.
> to invent the concentration camp
I hear they borrowed the idea from the Spanish in Cuba.
Compared to alternatives, it was supposed to be more humane: "Get the civilians out of harm's way (and keep them from aiding the guerillas without killing them)".
It wasn't until the Nazi extermination camps of WW2 that the phrase "concentration camp" took on such negative valences.
Granted people did die in concentration camps, but the deaths were of things like cholera -- the same diseases that would run through army camps. Arguably we still have them today, under the new name "refugee camp".
> the Boer war
It shouldn't be left out that the British had a decent case for moral high ground in that war. The Boers were religious hyper-conservatives who believed God had given them a right to Black slaves, whereas the British had banned slavery throughout the Empire and were going to some expense to enforce this.
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Private my ass. I understand the terminology, but they are part of the defacto public domain, and are a publicly owned company. They built their company utilizing the resources and technological prowess of the United States, then piss in its face to cater to woke leftist silicon valley politics (which doesn't represent 90%+ of America). If that MIT study about the end of the world turns out to be true, THIS type of w…
What do you suggest? the government takes over Google? Prevents them from controlling what they store on their servers? If society fails (which is little more than a prepper wet dream) everyone's going to go gunning for whoever has food and fuel. No one will care about Google or political parties.
I'd suggest we protect freedom of speech similar to how we protect civil rights.
Before civil rights, "private businesses" used the same exact excuse as big tech while refusing customers based on race.
In the current setup, big tech thrives risk-free via governmental protections separating them from their customers (or what their customers post on the platform). The underlying concept of social media has become a public utility, and should be protected as such. Once big tech began altering visibility of posts based on politics (in any way/shape/form), they crossed the Rubicon.
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> There's something fundamentally flawed There isn't really. You're adopting, I assume, J.S. Mill's view, that the cure for bad speech is more speech, which he famously published in 1859. However, since then it's been widely accepted that when speech reaches a certain level of harm then the greater good is to prevent/punish it. You can't incite violence under the guise of free speech. You can't advertise that somethi…
>It directly leads to mobs, riots, and revolution based on lies, not based on actual injustices. Would love to see an example. The vast majority of revolutions in human history were results of hunger.
...did you not see the Capitol riot/mob on Jan 6?
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> Google isn't spying on your private files This is false. All of the major services that host images scan them for child porn, regardless if they're private or shared. I don't know how they're going to apply these rules and, unless you work there and are involved in this, neither do you.
A few years back people were getting messages from Google if their docs contained hate speech. Google's response was that it was a corporate feature that was accidentally turned on for all accounts. So they certainly have infrastructure to do deep content scans of all users docs. Realistically they probably do still scan all accounts for internal metrics, it's just notification that has been disabled.
Do you have a source for that?
I can't find anything with searching that Google ever algorithmically identified hate speech in Docs & Drive, there's no such corporate feature that can be enabled in G Suite control panel, reliably identifying hate speech is a hard problem that there's no indication of Google having solved, and honestly the entire thing sounds like an urban legend.
But if you have a reputable source I'd love to know.
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The bigger problem that I have with the idea that misinformation kills democracy is that it seems to suggest that misinformation is some new phenomenon or that the average person has been well informed throughout the history of western democracy. Democracy thrived before the printing press. Democracy survived the invention of the printing press, which was mostly in the hands of magnates who could afford it. Democracy…
> suggest that misinformation is some new phenomenon Misinformation in this shape and form is a new phenomenon. And it is not just the scale; - the number of agents that push their version of misinformation is at least an order of magnitude higher than ever, depending on the particular topic. So-called culture wars have so many different sides. - technology not only scales misinformation, but it also accelerates it.…
Perhaps, then, we should aim our sights on the institutions and systems that incentivize and profit from the spread of misinformation rather than trying to treat the symptoms and censor misinformation outright. I’m always baffled in these free speech debates of the last 15-10 years why the end up reducing the landscape to a false dichotomy.
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#1000I would really love all of sorts of services (e.g. email, documents, photo storage, etc etc) prepackaged as docker images I can pop somewhere and open source, and I just pay for hosting and a licence fee.
In order to pop anywhere these days you need to have an email address. How do you ensure that this email address is not gonna be alienated from you? Email domain becomes part of your identity.
This doesn't seem to be the hardest part. I could use a service that requires an SSH keypair to access, for example.