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An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by tomxor »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #323
monsieurbanana wrote: post #301

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I bought a cheap M1 Air model (only the ram is upgraded to 16gb) at $1030 Apple-refurbished. My intent is to try and sell it a bit before the 1 year mark. For some of the reasons you mentioned (specially the last paragraph), but also the battery and the general non-reparability. It almost feels like a consumable item, compared to my previous Thinkpad. Here's the thing: all the other laptops I was looking at cost at l…

M1 is a complete SOC and discrete nvidia graphics from nvidia were so bad that Apple switched to AMD permanently.

That was just one example, one that affected me and millions of others. There are also plenty of other chip level failures in newer apple hardware as quite well documented by Louis Rossmann. Not all GPU/CPU issues either, there are many other chips that go wrong due to cheap component choices.

The GPU issues were both nVidia's _and_ Apple's fault due to assembly with low quality unleaded solder. In either case their attitude to customers was unforgivable, they replaced old broken boards with new broken boards until people just gave up or were pushed out of warrantee... and for the masses that couldn't be bothered to go through the pain of browbeating an Apple store employee into submission - they got firmware patches to push it out of warrantee.

Component failure, solid state or otherwise is not unique to Apple and is an inevitability, it will happen again - complete disrespect for their users by continually lying to their face on the other hand... That is something Apple is uniquely skilled at.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by monsieurbanana »

fouc wrote: post #390
monsieurbanana wrote: post #349

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It's highly dependent on the country you're at. I see people on r/thinkpad get new high-end ones discounted, the kind of discounts that you can't get in France. What you can find in France is heavily discounted ones from people that resell their company-provided ones. I bought 3 T460 like that in the past, for me and my family. But no high-end models, nor much choice in the customization.

It might be worth buying the discounted thinkpad in US (I assume that's where most heavily discounted ones show up) and then ship it to France?

I looked into that too ahah. There are "forwarding" services that do that for you, if you don't have a friend there.

But I don't like thinkpads to the point of doing that rodeo. For now, Apple won my money.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by nottorp »

cunthorpe wrote: post #383
mgerullis wrote: post #352

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> 883 tabs open There cannot be a good reason to do this, I start to get anxious at 20-30

High tabs count are from people who don’t care to close tabs after they’re done or use them as a TODO list they never get to. Browsers should default to closing unused tabs (after 30 days?) and I’m glad that’s possible now. If you haven’t seen a tab in a month chances are you never will.

I'll have you know that I kept a tab open for 3 months, and only then I ordered the item displayed in that tab.

Yes, tabs as a todo list work. With a tab suspender extension.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by nottorp »

SilverRed wrote: post #281
Shorel wrote: post #77

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Want to use "apps" that run in a browser. Then just open them in a browser. That's what I do with Teams, Discord and so on. Much better than opening many isolated browser runtimes for what's essentially badly optimized webpages.

Electron has higher permissions so you can do things like select your audio inputs in discord which is nicer than the browser selection.

"Discord Helper (Renderer) - Not Responding".

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by ksec »

Joeri wrote: post #399
ksec wrote: post #397

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>he touchbar is rubbish and the air has 99% the same performance. It only have 99% of the performance under specific loads. The Air is ~12W TDP, the MBP is a ~20W TDP. That is quite a bit of difference ( 70% ) when you absolutely pushes it to the limit in both CPU and GPU. That is why half of the not "throttle" comment in this thread dont make much sense as they only consider the CPU usage pattern.

The point is that there are very few real world workloads that get it to throttle, and even more rarely will it throttle enough to matter. 99% of use cases are not affected.

MacBook Pro, by Apple's pro definition aims at creative professional which tends to use GPU a lot more. Which means they are much more likely to be throttled by TDP limitation in a MacBook Air.

There are also a lot of other use cases where GPU or NPU are important.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by miguelrochefort »

cunthorpe wrote: post #384
miguelrochefort wrote: post #192

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Same here (although it’s more like 200 open tabs across 10 virtual desktops). It still feels slower than my cheap Atom netbook, but the battery life and hardware quality more than makes up for it. This might be an opportunity to tweak my browsing habits.

How do you even split windows/tabs across that many desktops? I mean “logically”. Are you working on 10 different things in any given day/week?

A laptop display is too small to see more than a single window. I always make my windows full screen.

For example right now I have the following windows/desktops:

0. Google Calendar + Gmail

1. Facebook Messenger

2. YouTube (music/podcast)

3. Terminal

4. Visual Studio Code

5. Documentation (5-10 tabs)

6. Google Colab

7. Google Cloud Console

8. Google Sheets + Docs

7. Wikipedia (20+ tabs)

8. Google Search (30+ tabs)

9. Hacker News (20+ tabs)

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by jangrahul »

jmkni wrote: post #25

Pre M1, I've always preferred a PC. When I'm using a laptop, especially doing real work, they heat up, the fans go crazy, the laptop is hot to the touch and everything slows down. It almost makes you anxious. You're wondering if it's about to crash or go on fire. I've always kept a Desktop PC on the go for this reason, a well cooled desktop just doesn't have these issues. With a laptop, I always feel like I'm comprom…

My experience is just the opposite, when I run even to projects on intelliJ on a mac m1 8gb, the whole system just starts lagging to the point that I cant even scroll the code.

This has not been a good experience for me.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by bserge »

bjoli wrote: post #341
jmkni wrote: post #25

Pre M1, I've always preferred a PC. When I'm using a laptop, especially doing real work, they heat up, the fans go crazy, the laptop is hot to the touch and everything slows down. It almost makes you anxious. You're wondering if it's about to crash or go on fire. I've always kept a Desktop PC on the go for this reason, a well cooled desktop just doesn't have these issues. With a laptop, I always feel like I'm comprom…

My old clevo laptop has an i7 in it with fans that sound like hair dryers. It never throttles. I would never buy a laptop where throttling was a presumed solution to thermal issues, because I want to get work done. Pre-m1 macbooks were awful. Even worse than top of the line dell laptops. I have always felt like a minority for expecting a 2k laptop to actually be able to get work done. If I would ever be able to run L…

> It never throttles.

Just in case, are you actually monitoring temperatures?

Regardless, buy some proper thermal paste and pads and replace them on everything, it will quiet down significantly while also running cooler.

The difference between factory Thermal Interface Material and custom is often ridiculous.

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