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Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by dolmen » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 9:17 AM UTC

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Same here, it’s like a freaky experience. I run mostly from the browser but have a couple of things going at the same time. One thing I noticed is the blazing fast typing on the Mac. There is an ever so small lag on windows in perceptible when using it. But, when you type on the Mac you notice it, and the brain just feels good using it. I have no idea if this is a real thing, but it’s similar with scrolling, you touc…

Typing lag is such a sad result of all our modern computing abstractions. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/261148-modern-computer...

See also this talk by John Carmack about buffering problems in input and output stacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHLpKzUxjGk

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by qeternity » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 9:18 AM UTC

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> using marvelous suspender Did you even read my comment?

GP does say that the amount of tabs actually running still exceeds the number quoted by GGP

They’re not comparable numbers. 800 tabs with 799 suspended is a different beast than 30 active tabs.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by cunthorpe » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 9:28 AM UTC

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Lol 30 tabs is a lot? I'm running 32 gb ram on windows i7-6700 3.4 ghz on mini ATX and currently have 883 tabs open, using marvelous suspender and few other tweaks, but still have 95 windows opens (1 tab typically alive in each window minimum excluding my suspension blacklist...). Also have photoshop, notion, and a few other apps going and am running smoothly at 40-70% cpu utilization and 85% memory...

> 883 tabs open There cannot be a good reason to do this, I start to get anxious at 20-30

High tabs count are from people who don’t care to close tabs after they’re done or use them as a TODO list they never get to.

Browsers should default to closing unused tabs (after 30 days?) and I’m glad that’s possible now. If you haven’t seen a tab in a month chances are you never will.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Post by cunthorpe » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

miguelrochefort wrote: post #192

hackathonguy wrote: post #32

Wondering if it's just me: I bought an M1 MacBook Air with 8GB of RAM, based on reports saying that RAM management is much more effective than with Intel CPUs. Ever since, I'm really struggling with load management. I typically have Chrome open with 20-30 tabs, plus a couple of Electron apps (Notion, Slack, Google Calendar), and my MacBook frequently slows down to a crawl or gets stuck entirely. Simple commands - "cl…

Same here (although it’s more like 200 open tabs across 10 virtual desktops). It still feels slower than my cheap Atom netbook, but the battery life and hardware quality more than makes up for it. This might be an opportunity to tweak my browsing habits.

How do you even split windows/tabs across that many desktops? I mean “logically”. Are you working on 10 different things in any given day/week?

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

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I dont understand why they sell the pro. The touchbar is rubbish and the air has 99% the same performance. Yeah the pro can go faster for longer without throttle but its heavier and doesnt have those physical f-keys. Its more expensive too… not sure why anyone would buy it over the air. Two more usb-c but you can only hook in one external monitor! Also 200 more nits on screen but… is it really that important? I cant…

Obviously, to people who choose to pay for it. I produce video news and the Touch Bar is integral to my workflow. Just because something is not useful to you doesn’t mean it’s useless.

I do like the idea - and I saw a Windows laptop with a bigger 'touch bar' that I think is even more practical - but I just wished they offered a version without it. I heard the value of just the touch bar is in the region of $600 (random guess), because it adds some hardware from the Apple Watch to the Mac. That's a lot of money for a feature like that.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 9:59 AM UTC

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I haven't found that to be a catch actually. I went from a mid-2015 15" MBP to 13" M1 with 8GB. I made the impulsive purchase to get 8GB ASAP rather than wait for 16GB (which was backordered). My primary apps are DaVinci Resolve, Lightroom and Photoshop. On the 15", the fans would run on full constantly . I would have to create proxy video files to work with. On the M1, I don't create any proxies at all and the video…

I had assumed that photoshop and the like would be gpu bound, not cpu bound

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Post by DonHopkins » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 9:59 AM UTC

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> The thing macOS on M1 does very cleverly is scheduling threads on cores. IIRC all UI threads run on high-power cores, while all background tasks run on low-power ones. So they never interfere with each other. iOS probably does the same; Android probably does none of this. This feature has been in the Linux kernel for ages[1]. Android and ChromeOS are based on the Linux kernel, and have had this feature for quite so…

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Post by quenix » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

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FYI, the one M1 MacBook which throttles under heavy load is the MacBook Air, which is actually a 1k laptop ($999). The MacBook Pro has fans and basically never throttles as I understand from others.

Absolutely untrue. My M1 Air does not skip a beat at all even under sustained load. Barely gets warm.

I know. I have an M1 and and it hardly ever throttles. I was making a point to the OP though

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Post by zaudo » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 10:04 AM UTC

drevil-v2 wrote: post #366

quenix wrote: post #345

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FYI, the one M1 MacBook which throttles under heavy load is the MacBook Air, which is actually a 1k laptop ($999). The MacBook Pro has fans and basically never throttles as I understand from others.

Absolutely untrue. My M1 Air does not skip a beat at all even under sustained load. Barely gets warm.

It’s not untrue. It has been demonstrated in dozens of reviews that the M1 Air throttles under heavy load. Just because it hasn’t done so for your workload, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening for others.

Besides, when it throttles, it’s not a huge slowdown, so most people wouldn’t notice it “skipping a beat” anyway.

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Post by fouc » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 10:27 AM UTC

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> Here's the thing: all the other laptops I was looking at cost at least twice the price. High-end Thinkpads, my second choice, almost 3 times. It shouldn't be this way, but most of the big enterprise retailers have ridiculous sticker prices. Unlike Apple, volume buyers get steep discounts, and individuals are expected to wait for a discount. Ask around online and you'll find it's fairly simple to get fancy Thinkpads…

It's highly dependent on the country you're at. I see people on r/thinkpad get new high-end ones discounted, the kind of discounts that you can't get in France. What you can find in France is heavily discounted ones from people that resell their company-provided ones. I bought 3 T460 like that in the past, for me and my family. But no high-end models, nor much choice in the customization.

It might be worth buying the discounted thinkpad in US (I assume that's where most heavily discounted ones show up) and then ship it to France?