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Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by TeMPOraL »

marcusverus wrote: post #72
conductr wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or because they’re working multiple jobs/overtime and do all the chores themselves. Wealthier people have stay at home parents and pay other people to do the housekeeping.

> Or because they’re working multiple jobs/overtime and do all the chores themselves. Well, the data indicate that this is not the case. For households in the bottom two quintiles of income, only 18(!)% of householders work full time in the bottom quintile, and 45% work full time in the next-lowest quintile. source: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/explaining-income-inequality-...

Does that count all jobs, or just jobs the tax man knows about?

At least over here (Poland, EU), people officially unemployed often work under the table, sometimes quite a lot, and they cannot afford the word of it to get to any public agency. Such people are unwilling to talk about it to researchers either.

(We recently had a public census, and it asked a bunch of sensitive questions around topics like employment. Despite the survey repeatedly giving assurances that this is all used for public statistics, and that data will be processed by trained personnel under strict confidentiality regulation, the people I know who are forced to skirt employment/tax rules here and there to survive, were not willing to reveal any indication of it.)

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by randomdata »

sokoloff wrote: post #118
marcusverus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or because they’re working multiple jobs/overtime and do all the chores themselves. Well, the data indicate that this is not the case. For households in the bottom two quintiles of income, only 18(!)% of householders work full time in the bottom quintile, and 45% work full time in the next-lowest quintile. source: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/explaining-income-inequality-...

Not working full-time does not necessarily mean working fewer hours. Working 2 29-hour jobs and commuting between them would be vastly more time and energy consuming, yet would show up as “not working full-time”.

Two 29 hour jobs would result in a 58 hour work week, and thus the worker would be considered to work full-time.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

To add to this: children of expats will usually speak at least two languages.

That'll often be three languages if both parents are expats. Three languages by the time they start first grade.

They don't just now how to speak extra languages, they can really think in them too, and many times understand nuances and biases that you'd only know if you were a native of a given languages.

In EU countries there most people speak multiple languages that's not a bit deal, but in countries where most people speak a single language, that's also an enormous difference.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by [deleted] »

randomdata wrote: post #122
sokoloff wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not working full-time does not necessarily mean working fewer hours. Working 2 29-hour jobs and commuting between them would be vastly more time and energy consuming, yet would show up as “not working full-time”.

Two 29 hour jobs would result in a 58 hour work week, and thus the worker would be considered to work full-time.

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Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by wesleywt »

silly-silly wrote: post #109
wesleywt wrote: post #91

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Why are the poor in the America described in terms of "meth heads"? Being poor is not a moral failure.

I think you're reading his list as an 'and', read the list as an 'or'.

I just picked one, but I noticed this more than once. Either the poor are referred to as "trailer trash", "Walmart monsters" or "meth heads". It is just interesting to see how American culture is so anti being poor that it seeps into your language without you knowing.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by rat9988 »

silly-silly wrote: post #109
wesleywt wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are the poor in the America described in terms of "meth heads"? Being poor is not a moral failure.

I think you're reading his list as an 'and', read the list as an 'or'.

The problem is that poor and broke are not like the others.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by tinco »

yupper32 wrote: post #110
taneq wrote: post #59

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This isn't an inherently male trait, it's something that's done to boys from an early age in some societies. Men are conditioned to behave this way from an early age, and IMO it's a great tragedy.

As a male who identifies with this trait, why? Most emotions seem to just hold you back. Why cry about a situation when you should more likely focus your energy into finding a solution? For me it's not that emotions are so much "swallowed in silence and not talked about"... it's that they're fundamentally not useful. If I'm stressed out or sad or etc about something, that's something to be solved, not something to be…

This only works as long as those emotions are not hitting your core. I don't often feel affected strongly by emotions, I'm pretty sure the last time I cried for myself (and not over something that happened to someone else) is well over 10 years ago.

But that's just because nothing truly bad happened to me. Or at least, nothing bad enough to make me pity myself. Just that nothing has forced me to put energy/emotion in it, that hurt my ego enough that I'd feel worse about myself.

I think it's naive to believe that something like that could never happen to you, and it happens regularly to people around you. The universe is ruthless and cruel, and we are often helpless in the face of it. Sure some people are stronger, and some are weaker, but everyone could be broken.

Many people value different things. My girlfriend might cry if she thinks a person she met didn't like her. I'd never cry over such a thing, but that's because I don't value myself as a likeable person as much as she does. If she wouldn't cry about it, she'd feel worse as a person and I wouldn't know, and I wouldn't comfort her.

Anyway, to answer the question, because being emotional and sharing those emotions could help them deal with their pain or frustration. It's not good if we've got all these people walking around with their pain and frustration and no healthy outlet.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by BrissyCoder »

a1369209993 wrote: post #111
BrissyCoder wrote: post #74

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> The real trick is, being able to observe and absorb is one thing, or indeed to articulate. I can't make heads nor tails of this sentence but the rest of your comment seems reasonable.

> I can't make heads nor tails of this sentence ?> The tricky part is that: being able to (observe, absorb or even articulate) is one thing, but to contextualize is a whole other ball game.

Thanks - I have trouble trying to re-organize expressions like that into something that makes sense. Just doesn't compute.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by Foobar8568 »

visarga wrote: post #104
peanutz454 wrote: post #98

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List of things I have read : - A study that a three year old's vocabulary is the best indicator of success in life - A study that the more time parents spend talking to kids the better their vocabulary is - This study that when money is tight parents talk less to kids Now I am wondering if this perpetuates a cycle.

Kids develop speech at different speeds, many late speakers have high IQ.

I believe that late speakers with high IQ have generally a large vocabulary, they can speak but don't dare to speak because they feel they don't master the language. Also I wouldn't call many late speakers have high IQ, on the contrary, the majority would have a lower IQ (or at least on the verbal part when tested at 7).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139938/

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Post by imtringued »

randomdata wrote: post #122
sokoloff wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not working full-time does not necessarily mean working fewer hours. Working 2 29-hour jobs and commuting between them would be vastly more time and energy consuming, yet would show up as “not working full-time”.

Two 29 hour jobs would result in a 58 hour work week, and thus the worker would be considered to work full-time.

Call it working overtime.
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