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Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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The real trick is, being able to observe and absorb is one thing, or indeed to articulate. To CONTEXTUALIZE is a whole other ball game. Observing has special risks when you're a small child and cannot work out yet that everything does not relate to you. There's a lot of bad stuff that can go on that's not the fault of the child, but a young enough child will still conclude 'I did that'.

> The real trick is, being able to observe and absorb is one thing, or indeed to articulate. I can't make heads nor tails of this sentence but the rest of your comment seems reasonable.

> I can't make heads nor tails of this sentence

?> The tricky part is that: being able to (observe, absorb or even articulate) is one thing, but to contextualize is a whole other ball game.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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Consider doctors, who are extremely busy in their profession. Although, doctors do not spend enough time talking to their children, somehow they turn out to be alright.

I am thinking, are children sensing their economic backlog way to sooner than we know ?

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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post #59

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This isn't an inherently male trait, it's something that's done to boys from an early age in some societies. Men are conditioned to behave this way from an early age, and IMO it's a great tragedy.

As a male who identifies with this trait, why? Most emotions seem to just hold you back. Why cry about a situation when you should more likely focus your energy into finding a solution? For me it's not that emotions are so much "swallowed in silence and not talked about"... it's that they're fundamentally not useful. If I'm stressed out or sad or etc about something, that's something to be solved, not something to be…

Because you carry those bad emotions with you then as baggage instead of getting over them. And then they will bias your character and the decisions you do. So your life wont be run by you, but by the hidden subconscious emotional baggage that you carry. Its like with fears, you have to face them to overcome them and then the rest is easy

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

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post #61

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> many high schools are changing their team names based on this one study/conclusion which was funded by a tribe. Let's rephrase this. Many high schools are changing their team names because the study brought awareness to the generally ill-considered use of ethnic mascots. The study may have been a catalyst, but the appropriation and the insensitivity to it was always a problem.

> and the insensitivity to it was always a problem. For who? Moral outrage porn addicts?

unlike you, who are clearly not morally outraged

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

#115

Consider doctors, who are extremely busy in their profession. Although, doctors do not spend enough time talking to their children, somehow they turn out to be alright. I am thinking, are children sensing their economic backlog way to sooner than we know ?

> Consider doctors, who are extremely busy in their profession. Although, doctors do not spend enough time talking to their children, somehow they turn out to be alright.

Is this something you know, or is it something you think is true? The reason I ask is because there are quite a lot of doctors in my extended family, and they spend a lot of time with their children. That’s obviously very anecdotal, but working long hours and sometimes being called in to perform long acute surgeries doesn’t seem to impact their family lives much.

Part of this is financial. You simply have more time when you pay other people to clean your house, do your laundry and keep your garden and can get restaurant quality take-away delivered when you’re too exhausted to cook. Aside from paying people to do things, you also expend so much less energy when you never worry about money.

Another part could be the kind of people they are. I have ADHD and while I’m well functional and have been for years, I just don’t have enough energy to lead a life that’s on equal grounds with my counterparts in other municipalities, even with medication. As a result I’ve had to balance my work-life and my career so that I only rarely work more than 37 hours in a week (paid lunch and extended travel times included) and when I do work more hours, I make sure to work less as soon as possible so that the total gets to be 37 hours per week over the year. I have absolutely no regrets sacrifice a little of my career (which is of course made easy that it is still a great career despite the sacrifices) to have more energy for my family. It did affect me when I had my first child, which is where only having energy for 1.5 full time jobs first caught up with me, and I was quite depressed I couldn’t lead the life I had planned. Once things “fell into place for me mentally” I’ve never looked back. Here, years later, I’m actively trying to find ways to work even less. The reason I use myself as an example here is because my cousin is a leading surgeon with a doctor wife and 3 children, and he is able to put as much energy into his children as I am without the sacrifices.

Becoming a doctor is extremely taxing in my country, so it goes to reason that the people who come through it are simply people who are fortune in the energy and structure department. Which could likely also helping them to have more energy over all to invest in their children.

This is anecdotal like I said, maybe the doctors in my family are just special, but unless you have some sort of data to back your claim, you might want to be careful about your assumptions.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

#116

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It fits my world view so it must be true. Jokin aside I've seen way better studies of this kind where the parents would wear a mic at home and they would then do a word count, word analysis, etc.

Wouldn't this method have its own issues with observation awareness biases?

idea: it could be disguised as an Alexa or Google Home

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

#118

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Or because they’re working multiple jobs/overtime and do all the chores themselves. Wealthier people have stay at home parents and pay other people to do the housekeeping.

> Or because they’re working multiple jobs/overtime and do all the chores themselves. Well, the data indicate that this is not the case. For households in the bottom two quintiles of income, only 18(!)% of householders work full time in the bottom quintile, and 45% work full time in the next-lowest quintile. source: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/explaining-income-inequality-...

Not working full-time does not necessarily mean working fewer hours. Working 2 29-hour jobs and commuting between them would be vastly more time and energy consuming, yet would show up as “not working full-time”.

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

#119

Why on earth are these studies even necessary? Pressure makes you talk less to people. Just putting two remotely related words together doesn't automatically make it insightful.

Given how important parental interaction is for healthy child development (See: Language deprivation [1]), it is useful to bring up the issue so that more attention is given to this particular set of long-term effects. More attention will help social work trying to create a counterbalance.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation

Re: Word gap: When money’s tight, parents talk less to kids

#120
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A cynical explanation is that they talk less because on some level they know that talking tends to reveal needs that require money to meet.

I'm eating crackers until my paycheck arrives tomorrow or the next day, and I can say for certain that its a big part of why I talk less right at the moment. The plural of (my) anecdote is not data, of course.

There are a lot of studies that show that being poor in western society is extremely mentally taxing.

Of course there can be a lot of correlating factors that also impacts the difference between wealthy and poor. But I think that anyone who has ever tried going back to living paycheck-to-paycheck after some years of financial safety can tell you just how taxing it is.

I grew up poor, but it wasn’t until I did my masters and for a brief period saw my income cut in half without adjusting my spending, that I ended up in a situation where I realised just how much not having to worry about money even once in a month truly gave me.

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