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Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by xyzelement »

plank_time wrote: post #30

The militarization of the police in the US is a huge problem that is out of control. I was extremely disappointed that Obama didn’t not only rein in this militarization but effectively made it worse. We are now having to deal with a generation of cops who think they are GI Joe but don’t have the training. This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cops, because they start their day thinking they are i…

\\ This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cop

How many unarmed people are killed by the police each year in the us? When I ask this question, most people guess "thousands" or "tens of thousands". The real number is around 50.

Of course the ideal number is 0 but the US is very far from having a " police killing unarmed people " problem.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by 0_gravitas »

xyzelement wrote: post #111
plank_time wrote: post #30

The militarization of the police in the US is a huge problem that is out of control. I was extremely disappointed that Obama didn’t not only rein in this militarization but effectively made it worse. We are now having to deal with a generation of cops who think they are GI Joe but don’t have the training. This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cops, because they start their day thinking they are i…

\\ This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cop How many unarmed people are killed by the police each year in the us? When I ask this question, most people guess "thousands" or "tens of thousands". The real number is around 50. Of course the ideal number is 0 but the US is very far from having a " police killing unarmed people " problem.

Who decides if the person killed is unarmed again?

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by xyzelement »

0_gravitas wrote: post #112
xyzelement wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

\\ This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cop How many unarmed people are killed by the police each year in the us? When I ask this question, most people guess "thousands" or "tens of thousands". The real number is around 50. Of course the ideal number is 0 but the US is very far from having a " police killing unarmed people " problem.

Who decides if the person killed is unarmed again?

That's an interesting point. So how did we decide whether there a real problem or not?

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by chroma »

jackson1442 wrote: post #81
anigbrowl wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason I have 3 fire extinguishers although I've never had a fire situation; you don't want to find yourself without if you suddenly need it. Aer they over-armed, poorly trained, and often unreasonably paranoid? Yes. Being armed doesn't defend one against being surprised, and radios have saved far more police lives than guns on hips. But the work is by nature unpredictable, and the US is an unusually heavily arm…

This same argument could ostensibly be extended to anyone. There are armed criminals everywhere, why aren’t you carrying ${armory} on you at all times? It seems to me like a police station, as well as select trained officers could be stocked with lethal weapons, while regular patrol officers carry nonlethals. Cops generally do not need a gun to pull someone over for speeding. If they are pursing someone known to be a…

> There are armed criminals everywhere, why aren’t you carrying ${armory} on you at all times?

I am, along with around 10% of adults in my state. Concealed carry by law-abiding citizens is more prevalent than ever, and I'm very glad this is the case. When I lived in the bay area, I was attacked several times a year. The only reason I wasn't crippled or killed was because I managed to outrun my attackers. Police were absolutely useless. Criminals knew that civilians weren't allowed to carry weapons, so they did whatever they wanted to anyone who was smaller, weaker, or alone. Now I live in a state with concealed carry permits and the only people who attack others unprovoked are the mentally ill. When a crazy person does this, there's a decent chance they'll be shot. This has happened at least once in the past year in my neighborhood. The crazy man died. The DA did not press charges as it was justifiable homicide.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by mgleason_3 »

xyzelement wrote: post #111
plank_time wrote: post #30

The militarization of the police in the US is a huge problem that is out of control. I was extremely disappointed that Obama didn’t not only rein in this militarization but effectively made it worse. We are now having to deal with a generation of cops who think they are GI Joe but don’t have the training. This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cops, because they start their day thinking they are i…

\\ This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cop How many unarmed people are killed by the police each year in the us? When I ask this question, most people guess "thousands" or "tens of thousands". The real number is around 50. Of course the ideal number is 0 but the US is very far from having a " police killing unarmed people " problem.

Source?

This article says it was almost 1000 last year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...

A few years ago police shot a man neareby when they mistook a water hose nozzle he was holding for a handgun.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by AYBABTME »

xyzelement wrote: post #111
plank_time wrote: post #30

The militarization of the police in the US is a huge problem that is out of control. I was extremely disappointed that Obama didn’t not only rein in this militarization but effectively made it worse. We are now having to deal with a generation of cops who think they are GI Joe but don’t have the training. This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cops, because they start their day thinking they are i…

\\ This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cop How many unarmed people are killed by the police each year in the us? When I ask this question, most people guess "thousands" or "tens of thousands". The real number is around 50. Of course the ideal number is 0 but the US is very far from having a " police killing unarmed people " problem.

My brother is doing research on suspicious usage of "Suicide by cop" as a cause of death, a phenomenon where police departments and coroners may be overly broad in their application of the label. I hadn't thought about this, but apparently this imaginative labelling _may_ be hiding unfavourable statistics .

Although I doubt this would change the number from 50 to 10,000.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by jcims »

mgleason_3 wrote: post #116
xyzelement wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

\\ This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cop How many unarmed people are killed by the police each year in the us? When I ask this question, most people guess "thousands" or "tens of thousands". The real number is around 50. Of course the ideal number is 0 but the US is very far from having a " police killing unarmed people " problem.

Source? This article says it was almost 1000 last year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic... A few years ago police shot a man neareby when they mistook a water hose nozzle he was holding for a handgun.

That’s total, not unarmed.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by cyanydeez »

chrisseaton wrote: post #57
anigbrowl wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a sad fact in the USA that you might encounter an armed criminal almost anywhere. I have personally seen a bunch of crimes involving gunfire, rather than mere brandishing of weapons. On the other hand, police carry a lot of weapons, typically a handgun, pepper spray, a taser, a baton, and a heavy switchblade knife, plus a shotgun or rifle in the car. But they're relatively poorly trained and (even taking police…

The vast majority of police never actually need their weapons. So why are they routinely carrying them? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/08/a-closer-lo... There's tons of dangerous things we could carry around just in case, but we don't because they'd be seen as aggressive.

right, "its a sad fact that gun nut propaganda prevades Merica mentality making them think everyone needs a gun"

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by greeneggs »

chrisseaton wrote: post #57
anigbrowl wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a sad fact in the USA that you might encounter an armed criminal almost anywhere. I have personally seen a bunch of crimes involving gunfire, rather than mere brandishing of weapons. On the other hand, police carry a lot of weapons, typically a handgun, pepper spray, a taser, a baton, and a heavy switchblade knife, plus a shotgun or rifle in the car. But they're relatively poorly trained and (even taking police…

The vast majority of police never actually need their weapons. So why are they routinely carrying them? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/08/a-closer-lo... There's tons of dangerous things we could carry around just in case, but we don't because they'd be seen as aggressive.

> The vast majority of police never actually need their weapons. So why are they routinely carrying them?

Your link doesn't support this. How many police have drawn their weapons?

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