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Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by krapp »

orwin wrote: post #50
post_break wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true though and has always been the case. Working odd hours not the usual 8-5, might not have a car so walking to work sometimes at night, living in heavy crime areas because it's affordable. I'm not projecting, just calling it like it is and why this bill is a good thing in the eyes of the people who don't even consider this sane.

" Don't carry a gun if you're not ready to draw it, don't draw a gun if you're not ready to shoot. " -Every gun instructor ever. The issue is if someone wnat to jump on you and you have a gun, especially with no training, you'll be more dangerous to yourself than anyone wanting your wallet. I got robbed three time, because i was in the situation you describe (no money so have to live in high crime area, no car, and o…

I mean, the Second Amendment doesn't come with restrictions, requirements or qualifiers, and American gun culture is the reason owning a gun is seen as an unrestricted, inalienable right, and not a responsibility.

This is what the people of Texas want, let them get it good and hard, I say.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by torstenvl »

oliwarner wrote: post #59
post_break wrote: post #19

This helps eliminate a victimless crime. The criminals will still carry illegally and this bill actually upgrades the felony for those who are caught carrying who legally could not. Now someone who needs to carry who can't afford the overpriced classes, fingerprints, waiting for the state to mail you a card to give you your rights is gone. A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection, and either cant affor…

It's so bleak that people think the solution to violent lawlessness is more guns , more violence. Now in the hands of untrained civilians. Normally you could say their unadulterated freedom allows them to commit accidents, but that's hard to swallow when you've just said the poor are desperate and without sufficient support from law enforcement. That's not freedom.

Um. Yes. Giving people more options to live their lives as they see fit, rather than forcing them to rely on the benevolence of a government, is indeed freedom. By definition. Please don't post in bad faith.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by andreskytt »

post_break wrote: post #19

This helps eliminate a victimless crime. The criminals will still carry illegally and this bill actually upgrades the felony for those who are caught carrying who legally could not. Now someone who needs to carry who can't afford the overpriced classes, fingerprints, waiting for the state to mail you a card to give you your rights is gone. A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection, and either cant affor…

But why not make the classes state-provided and cheap?

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by _nicelaris_ »

procgen wrote: post #33
post_break wrote: post #19

This helps eliminate a victimless crime. The criminals will still carry illegally and this bill actually upgrades the felony for those who are caught carrying who legally could not. Now someone who needs to carry who can't afford the overpriced classes, fingerprints, waiting for the state to mail you a card to give you your rights is gone. A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection, and either cant affor…

"A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection" How utterly dystopian.

How utterly privileged your life must be. This is called "earth." It's filled with these things called "people," some of whom victimize other "people." I have no patience for anti-gun positions, tbh. You guys are literally arguing in favor of innocent people getting killed, raped, and otherwise victimized, and the most baffling part is that you don't even know it.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by _nicelaris_ »

oliwarner wrote: post #59
post_break wrote: post #19

This helps eliminate a victimless crime. The criminals will still carry illegally and this bill actually upgrades the felony for those who are caught carrying who legally could not. Now someone who needs to carry who can't afford the overpriced classes, fingerprints, waiting for the state to mail you a card to give you your rights is gone. A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection, and either cant affor…

It's so bleak that people think the solution to violent lawlessness is more guns , more violence. Now in the hands of untrained civilians. Normally you could say their unadulterated freedom allows them to commit accidents, but that's hard to swallow when you've just said the poor are desperate and without sufficient support from law enforcement. That's not freedom.

More guns != more violence. That's absurd and has zero basis in reality. The reality is that more gun restrictions = more violence. Look at any relevant statistic and see the direct correlation between gun control and increased crime against innocent people.

Even if the stats were somehow in your favor, the moral and ethical principle of the right to self defense cannot reasonably be refuted, and any attempt to do so should not be tolerated by civilized human beings.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by igetspam »

chmod600 wrote: post #49
frereubu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine question: can you elaborate on "without any problems"? As a European I find the level of gun violence in the US to be shocking, so I don't understand why lax gun laws like these are not a problem. The Bill Hicks quote "There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone, and if you make one you're a fool and a communist" is perhaps overly simp…

This article is specifically about lawful carrying, not ownership. Criminals generally don't care whether carrying is lawful or not, so you wouldn't expect this particular law to matter a lot. There just aren't a lot of cases where someone without any criminal intent carrying a gun all of a sudden gets mad and starts shooting people over an insult or something. You are kind of right that the sheer volume of guns in t…

www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/26/gda-texas-mass-shootings-rise-in-2020-data-reports/115506570/

Were they criminals before they shot everyone?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/two-women-shot-in-secon...

I haven't heard that any of the suspects in the two events on 6th street were carrying illegally or were already criminals (they could have been).

We seem killing more people here in TX already. Letting more drunks have the right to carry and conceal isn't gonna make things better. Maybe it won't make things worse either but it's already pretty bad.

Sincerely, Getting the F Out Of TX, ASAP

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by igetspam »

Grakel wrote: post #27
herodotus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No problems? Look at the science. https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14906 "In a hypothetical situation in which there are 39,000 firearms deaths nationally under the permissive combination of these three laws, we expect 4,475 (80% CI, 1,761 to 6,949) more deaths nationally than under the restrictive combination of these laws."

As usual the "science" on this issue is garbage politics. Gun violence by legal gun owners is statistically near zero despite owning hundreds of millions of guns in the US.

But our state government is bought and paid for by church and guns. The governor shamed us for buying fewer guns than California:

https://www.statesman.com/news/20171106/in-15-greg-abbott-em...

We're trying to get more guns in more hands and we've lowered the bar. This isn't about rights. Abbot seems to generally want to kill us, by any means necessary.

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