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John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by roadnottaken »

ethank wrote: post #106
bengl3rt wrote: post #46

Siracusa strikes me as a power user type so I'm extremely surprised that he neglected to mention how patently awful and useless Mission Control is on multiple monitors. Whereas in the Spaces view in Snow Leopard I could move a window to a different space AND a different monitor with a quick drag, Mission Control doesn't allow this - I have to first move the window to the correct "Desktop", then exit MC and drag it to…

Actually interestingly enough full screen apps that have palettes are really nice on multiple monitors. Omnigraffle, etc. The palettes can live on top of the linen on your secondary display. it makes using Keynote, omnigraffle and similar apps such a joy.

That's great, but the whole reason I like multiple monitors (instead of one big one) is to segregate tasks. For example having full-screen terminal on one monitor and a browser on the other.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by msisk6 »

endian wrote: post #126
jsdalton wrote: post #9

Since the article didn't mention it, I'll ask here. Anyone know the versions of Python, Ruby, Apache, PHP, etc. that come installed with OS X Lion?

What about `sqlite3 -version`? Can we haz 3.7 and its Write-Ahead Log?

$ sqlite3 -version 3.7.5

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by petekp »

euroclydon wrote: post #26
nzoschke wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you use tiling for? If anything Apple is moving even farther away from tiling with the full-screen changes in Lion.

I use tiling when I want two Windows to each occupy half of the screen. Let me ask you a question: What on God's green earth does the little green plus button do in OSX? I just pressed it three times on Chrome and here's what happened: 1) The windows was occupying the entire screen (thank you Cinch) and when I clicked the green plus, the window changed to roughly 600x800. 2) Window changed to to 600x1100. 3) Window d…

Coming from Windows this confused me as well. I found an article that clarifies why it behaves the way it does; it does make sense to do it this way particularly on high res screens where the empty space would be glaring.

http://www.macyourself.com/2011/02/06/why-doesnt-mac-os-xs-g...

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by rwmj »

sciurus wrote: post #120
rwmj wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony being that GNOME 3 has slavishly copied (badly) various Mac OS X "features", one being the inability to resize windows from all sides. And less than a year later, Mac OS X changes to allow resizing from all sides.

I don't think this is true. I'm using GNOME 3 on Fedora 15, and I'm able to resize windows along all 4 edges and 3 of the 4 corners (I can't resize by the close button).

The resize border in GNOME 3 is one pixel wide. There's even a bug about it:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644930

Great snippet from the report summing up all that is wrong w/ GNOME 3 devs:

"I propose to remove the ability to resize a window by the 1px border. The current behavior requires super precise positioning to achieve it willingly, while still poses a good chance to do it accidentally."

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by roadnottaken »

pkamb wrote: post #83
bengl3rt wrote: post #46

Siracusa strikes me as a power user type so I'm extremely surprised that he neglected to mention how patently awful and useless Mission Control is on multiple monitors. Whereas in the Spaces view in Snow Leopard I could move a window to a different space AND a different monitor with a quick drag, Mission Control doesn't allow this - I have to first move the window to the correct "Desktop", then exit MC and drag it to…

Windows is just as bad. Windows 7 doesn't ship with multiple taskbars for your secondary monitors. Seriously? What's worse is that the developers actually making these features are probably using more than one monitor. And hitting those productivity gaps every day.

Ultramon does a pretty good job. But I always wonder why MSFT didn't just clone the ultramon features. Why not? How hard could it be?

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by mml »

euroclydon wrote: post #2

I'm disappointed in the answer to the following questions: Can I tile two windows without 17 clicks and mouse movements? Fortunately for the creator of Cinch, it seems the answer is no. Can I archive a gmail message? No?

Yes, you can archive Gmail messages now (and in ios5)

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by sid0 »

pkamb wrote: post #101
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the default Windows 7 group and icon behavior, they're virtually identical in behavior...

Power users go with the "Combine when taskbar is full" option. Reduces clicks and hover times tenfold.

Power users go with the "Combine when taskbar is full" option.

What sample size do you have here?

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by duskwuff »

masklinn wrote: post #112
nzoschke wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$ /usr/bin/python -V Python 2.7.1 $ /usr/bin/ruby --version ruby 1.8.7 (2010-01-10 patchlevel 249) [universal-darwin11.0] $ /usr/bin/php --version PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 16 2011 22:26:57) Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies $ /usr/sbin/httpd -V Server version: Apache/2.2.19 (Unix) Server built: Jun 16 2011 22:09:54 Server's Module…

I heard there was some kind of Postgres included in the standard Lion installation, that true? Also, is there a Python 3 bundled?

Appears to include the "psql" command-line client and related support libraries, but no server. The server might be present in Lion Server, which I don't have.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by jsz0 »

bengl3rt wrote: post #46

Siracusa strikes me as a power user type so I'm extremely surprised that he neglected to mention how patently awful and useless Mission Control is on multiple monitors. Whereas in the Spaces view in Snow Leopard I could move a window to a different space AND a different monitor with a quick drag, Mission Control doesn't allow this - I have to first move the window to the correct "Desktop", then exit MC and drag it to…

I think the assumption here is that if you have multiple displays you would rarely need full screen apps in the first place. It's definitely a feature that works best on a laptop display. The best alternative I can think of is to full-screen all the windows on each display. So for example if you had 3 monitors with 3 Safari windows, one on each display, they would go full-screen on their respective display. (downside is it would be awkward to leave full screen since the controls for it reside on the menubar)
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