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Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by trhway »

pessimizer wrote: post #89
trhway wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But how the hell is it acceptable to use sth like "IED/UXO" on an article about ethics? how the hell do you expect to understand an article on autonomous drones ethics without knowing that IED/UXO means? It makes obvious that you lack basic knowledge of modern factual landscape in the domain, and how do you expect to understand ethics of the domain without basic factual knowledge of the domain?

The argument that those acronyms are a requirement for the understanding of the ethics of autonomous killer robots is a very difficult one.

it is a major drone use case. Understanding an ethics of technology without knowledge of major use cases - that is a difficult argument.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by andrew_ »

argvargc wrote: post #90

How about we spend less time debating which horrifically powerful weapons to make or not, and more time on how to foster a society that doesn't have any use for them?

Five thousand years of recorded history suggests that's a pipe dream. Such cultures only exist in fiction (that we know of). Utopia is often described as imaginary.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by handmodel »

argvargc wrote: post #90

How about we spend less time debating which horrifically powerful weapons to make or not, and more time on how to foster a society that doesn't have any use for them?

Doesn't the solution to your second question probably involve settling the debate on not making weapons at all, anyway. Which is the first question.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by handmodel »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #52
frickinLasers wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that appears to be the first case on US soil where a robot was actually used to kill.

It's not. Police agencies have taken care to avoid headlines that might raise unpleasant questions about killing suspects with military robots, so it's not something that's easily googleable.

Are there any other examples?

I don't deny that they could be quiet about it - but it actually seems easily knowable given the reports that finally come out.

Plus - there are so few situations where the suspect has barricaded themselves anyway. Its not like car chase suspect or people running away from cops have been able (in the past) to be attacked by anything other than cops guns or tasers or guns.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by path411 »

argvargc wrote: post #90

How about we spend less time debating which horrifically powerful weapons to make or not, and more time on how to foster a society that doesn't have any use for them?

A police department can't gain budget to not buy things though

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by toomanyducks »

path411 wrote: post #96
argvargc wrote: post #90

How about we spend less time debating which horrifically powerful weapons to make or not, and more time on how to foster a society that doesn't have any use for them?

A police department can't gain budget to not buy things though

Why is the police department the one working to make the police department obsolete? That seems like mistake number one if we're going to try to demilitarize the police.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by foobarbecue »

andrew_ wrote: post #92
argvargc wrote: post #90

How about we spend less time debating which horrifically powerful weapons to make or not, and more time on how to foster a society that doesn't have any use for them?

Five thousand years of recorded history suggests that's a pipe dream. Such cultures only exist in fiction (that we know of). Utopia is often described as imaginary.

Utopia literally translates to "no place."

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by toomanyducks »

andrew_ wrote: post #92
argvargc wrote: post #90

How about we spend less time debating which horrifically powerful weapons to make or not, and more time on how to foster a society that doesn't have any use for them?

Five thousand years of recorded history suggests that's a pipe dream. Such cultures only exist in fiction (that we know of). Utopia is often described as imaginary.

What's your argument here? That working towards something perfect is inherently a waste of effort? It should not need to be pointed out that trying to change things for the better does not have to create a utopia to be beneficial. Reducing crime in non-militant ways (and therefore a reliance on police) does not need to remove crime to be a good thing to do.

Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by toomanyducks »

handmodel wrote: post #93
argvargc wrote: post #90

How about we spend less time debating which horrifically powerful weapons to make or not, and more time on how to foster a society that doesn't have any use for them?

Doesn't the solution to your second question probably involve settling the debate on not making weapons at all, anyway. Which is the first question.

This seems like a false equivalency between a given individual and the state: I can ask what weapons I'm allowed to have without asking what weapons the state is allowed to have.
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