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Re: “We're Shutting Down Our 3G Network”

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old Teslas (like 5+ years) will lose net when 3g goes. You can do a computer upgrade but I don’t think it’s cheap ($500-$1500 range offhand)

They really should have used an easily replaceable mPCIe cellular module. $50 replacement cost. Interface has been around since 2005.

And $1450 labor.

Re: “We're Shutting Down Our 3G Network”

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Blog fell over already. https://web.archive.org/web/20210718185549/https://benergize... Yeah, I got that second text. But the funny thing is, I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, which is absolutely supported. Here is the whitelist [PDF] https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Device... I contacted AT&T support via chat and they did some debugging. The last thing they had left to try was swapping out the SIM…

It seems like the only support specific variants which seems a tad ridiculous. My Canadian Samsung A51 doesn't seem like it would be supported because it's an A515W and not an A515U. What's the difference? I think for those two variants just the firmware.

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Ignoring the primary issue of the post, I take issue with the reason for not going with the alternative phones:

> The problem I have with both phones, especially the Galaxy, however is that they are several years old.

The Pixel 4a was released in October of 2020. My Pixel 2 was receiving updates for years after I got it, so I'm not sure what the author is referring to here.

Re: “We're Shutting Down Our 3G Network”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeeed. Last time I looked these chips were $1300 each in quantities of 1000. Too expensive for even a luxury car. I think the answer here is an internal USB modem or something. Easy to upgrade. Just up to the car manufacturer to commit to writing new drivers. (I assume that they don't want to do this, so are probably happy when technology changes out from under them. Everyone has to buy a new car!)

What makes this silicon so expensive?

Future-proofing puts you on the wrong side of Moore's Law. Let's say 4G requires 10x the transistors of 3G. In reality that's not a problem because 4G came out 10 years after 3G so transistor costs came down 10x or more. But if you wanted to build a 4G-upgradeable radio years early you'd have to pay for that 10x performance upfront using older and more expensive technology. This same argument applies to future-proofing other tech like video codecs as well.

Re: “We're Shutting Down Our 3G Network”

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post #28

I have an old OnePlus phone that still works fine, but it won't work with AT&T's network changes. I called and AT&T said I could get an iPhone SE for free, but when the contracts came for me to confirm, there was no mention of getting a free phone, and instead I was committing to paying $400 over three years. The AT&T reps assured me I'd get be credited at some point in the future and that the phone would end up bein…

tello my friend if you dont care about having a shit phone and all you need is something to text the doordash driver.

Re: “We're Shutting Down Our 3G Network”

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old Teslas (like 5+ years) will lose net when 3g goes. You can do a computer upgrade but I don’t think it’s cheap ($500-$1500 range offhand)

They really should have used an easily replaceable mPCIe cellular module. $50 replacement cost. Interface has been around since 2005.

Car manufacturers don't even try to pretend that their prices have anything to do with the actual costs of components. You want an "original X" part? That will be $$$$, thank you very much.

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> The problem I have with both phones [Pixel 4a, Galaxy S10e], especially the Galaxy, however is that they are several years old That appears untrue. The Pixel 4a was released in August 2020, so less than a year ago. It has guaranteed software updates until August 2023. (Or maybe until November 2023, unclear which model the author is referring to.)

I don’t believe googles update commitments. I had a pixel 2 XL it gets updates, but many of the new features were only available on the newer pixel devices. I’ve had the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, the Nexus 5, the pixel, and the Pixel 2 XL and I got tired of Google forgetting about their existence as soon as the next device came out.

Re: “We're Shutting Down Our 3G Network”

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BMW recently sent out an email of impending loss of 3G connectivity. > The decision to phase out 3G network technology was made at the discretion of the respective cellular carriers and lies beyond the control of BMW. As a result of the sunset of 3G service by wireless carrier partners, by February 2022 your vehicle will no longer be able to receive any ConnectedDrive/BMW Assist services, such as BMW Assist eCall, Ad…

Old Teslas (like 5+ years) will lose net when 3g goes. You can do a computer upgrade but I don’t think it’s cheap ($500-$1500 range offhand)

That's not accurate. You don't need to upgrade the MCU/infotainment computer and the retrofit is only $200.

"A source has informed me that due to AT&T shutting down its 3G network by Feb 2022, Model S's without an LTE-capable modem will lose connectivity features unless connected to WiFi. HOWEVER, Tesla will offer retrofits for $200. Affected vehicles are pre June 2015."

"Tesla will be offering retrofits for these vehicles for a bargain price of only $200, even though the vehicles affected by this could be up to nine years old."

Source:https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1415851250055323648

Re: “We're Shutting Down Our 3G Network”

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I have no idea what is going on at AT&T but I've definitely seen their customer service slide dramatically in the last few years, to the point that I finally left the network after 9 years. I don't blame the reps - there seems to be complete organizational chaos, and lots of cost-cutting going on making the issue even worse.

This solution of just force-mailing out new phones blows my mind. Phones are such a personal choice, and these replacements seem pretty sketchy on the whole, what a phenomenal waste of resources. Surely a better solution would be to give people a voucher to use with AT&T that would at least cover a cheap phone with comparable specs and could also be used against future phone bills if you want to upgrade yourself?

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