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Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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If these hacking firms succeed in chasing journalists off digital communication, I think the totalitarian regimes they serve will consider that "a win."

It's arguably an even bigger "win" for them if they kill off or imprison those journalists.

Old-school techniques were hard to pull off even by trained spies with a proper (and vast) support network, let alone by journalists and John Rando who have never met. If you're on a watch list that gets your phone flagged for malware then it's not a stretch to assume that you can also be physically watched. And meeting in person with journalists or sources while being under surveillance is like painting a target on your back.

And that's before considering that a journalist would never have a realistic chance to meet potential sources under repressive regimes on the other side of the world, certainly not a useful number.

Computers and encryption made this kind of covert communication far more accessible to the laymen. Anything that sets that back just deters people from even trying and this is exactly the chilling effect those oppressive regimes are looking for.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's arguably an even bigger "win" for them if they kill off or imprison those journalists.

Old-school techniques were hard to pull off even by trained spies with a proper (and vast) support network, let alone by journalists and John Rando who have never met. If you're on a watch list that gets your phone flagged for malware then it's not a stretch to assume that you can also be physically watched. And meeting in person with journalists or sources while being under surveillance is like painting a target on…

"If you're on a watch list that gets your phone flagged for malware then it's not a stretch to assume that you can also be physically watched."

The difference is you need way more resources and funds to physically watch and search a lot of people than to spy on their computer communications or hack in to their phones/laptops.

Mass computer surveillance is practical, easy, and affordable.. mass physical surveillance is much harder, much more expensive, and impractical to do effectively on large populations.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Aren't these private hacking companies breaking the law though? Does anyone know why no one has sued them or arrested them or something? From what I understand in most cases, any attempts to reverse engineer or exploit any system is against terms of service with the offender held liable. Some teenager who comes up with a game hack can be slapped with a massive fine, but these hacking companies aren't even breaking the law? How does that work?

Cause I think I'm in the wrong game

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Aren't these private hacking companies breaking the law though? Does anyone know why no one has sued them or arrested them or something? From what I understand in most cases, any attempts to reverse engineer or exploit any system is against terms of service with the offender held liable. Some teenager who comes up with a game hack can be slapped with a massive fine, but these hacking companies aren't even breaking th…

Those guys don't care about laws.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Aren't these private hacking companies breaking the law though? Does anyone know why no one has sued them or arrested them or something? From what I understand in most cases, any attempts to reverse engineer or exploit any system is against terms of service with the offender held liable. Some teenager who comes up with a game hack can be slapped with a massive fine, but these hacking companies aren't even breaking th…

Not anymore than a defense contractor is breaking the law.

Their sells are export controlled in a similar manner that arms sales are.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Aren't these private hacking companies breaking the law though? Does anyone know why no one has sued them or arrested them or something? From what I understand in most cases, any attempts to reverse engineer or exploit any system is against terms of service with the offender held liable. Some teenager who comes up with a game hack can be slapped with a massive fine, but these hacking companies aren't even breaking th…

It's easier to go against a Chiuaua, than a dire wolf.

Same with suits.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Aren't these private hacking companies breaking the law though? Does anyone know why no one has sued them or arrested them or something? From what I understand in most cases, any attempts to reverse engineer or exploit any system is against terms of service with the offender held liable. Some teenager who comes up with a game hack can be slapped with a massive fine, but these hacking companies aren't even breaking th…

nso group is based in israel. suing them for activities directed by the israeli state is not likely to be effective.

it would be like trying to sue a ransomware group in russia, or a phone company in america.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Aren't these private hacking companies breaking the law though? Does anyone know why no one has sued them or arrested them or something? From what I understand in most cases, any attempts to reverse engineer or exploit any system is against terms of service with the offender held liable. Some teenager who comes up with a game hack can be slapped with a massive fine, but these hacking companies aren't even breaking th…

When the customer are certain government agencies, there is the law and the law.
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