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Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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Since this is the first cannabis topic I've seen on HN, I have lots of questions/ideas/problems I want to share. I'm going to post them in no particular order. Maybe someone has a solution >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious. >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug…

Have you been diagnosed with ADHD?

As to the productivity are you certain that you are more productive and not just feeling more productive? That's a pretty common thing with weed, it causes the brain to release dopamine which it normally does in response to you being productive.

Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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post #15

Since this is the first cannabis topic I've seen on HN, I have lots of questions/ideas/problems I want to share. I'm going to post them in no particular order. Maybe someone has a solution >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious. >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug…

Here is my anecdata after being a regular user for 30+ years. >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious. You have to limit your intake. It's really easy to over do it with pipes and bongs. You'll end up getting 10x as much as you need and blow your tolerance. >Is investing in w…

OP needs a loose leaf vaporizer, like the Pax.

Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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Since this is the first cannabis topic I've seen on HN, I have lots of questions/ideas/problems I want to share. I'm going to post them in no particular order. Maybe someone has a solution >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious. >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug…

Have you been diagnosed with ADHD? As to the productivity are you certain that you are more productive and not just feeling more productive? That's a pretty common thing with weed, it causes the brain to release dopamine which it normally does in response to you being productive.

ADHD wasn't a thing when I was a child. Does weed help with that? I've heard a lot of treating this condition with what is essentially legal amphetamines which sounds horrible to me.

It's a shame, though not surprising in the least, that the good, cheap stuff is illegal in most of the world.

Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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This coincides with the Dryas impact era - there seems to be a lot of cultural advances, settlements, and other artifacts that pop up around that time. It seems very plausible to me that many of the discoveries aren't the first of their kind, but the first reimplementation after humans began to rebuild. The Dryas impact is a fascinating event - if validated, it has the potential to shake up a lot of the currently acc…

I also generally think the idea of a recently linear progression of human collaboration and advancement is misguided I think fossilization is merely rare and difficult

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Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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post #12

Since this is the first cannabis topic I've seen on HN, I have lots of questions/ideas/problems I want to share. I'm going to post them in no particular order. Maybe someone has a solution >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious. >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug…

>I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious. This is not something I've solved but are you consuming large amounts? I can stay high for months on end, using every hour and while it's not going to hit me like the first hit, I say up. I'd like to be more regular in consumption (eve…

Caffeine is a drug. We take lots of drugs. We are in the infancy of understanding many of them because we're young and because we've been prudes.

Personally, I don't think it's going to be all that long before society's mental model of cannabis is fully turned on it's head from where it was 20 years ago. The dose makes the poison (or drug), after all.

Fundamentally, I see cannabinoids as less like alcohol, and more like a potential new category of vitamin. As we continue to learn more about the endocannabinoid system and build up increasing experimental evidence tying common maladies to endocannabinoid deficiencies, I see cannabinoid supplements eventually becoming as commonplace as e.g. B-complex and incorporated into mainstream multivitamins.

Going back to GP's questions:

Is there a way to microdose? I'd like to be able to have tiny, controlled amounts every time.

Tinctures/oils. Sublingual absorption is the next best thing to pulmonary absorption in terms of efficiency, but it won't cause long-term damage as inhaling hot ashes and gases might, and it'll allow you to measure the dose down to the mg.

Is there a solution to munchies?

Speaking for myself, I've been microdosing 200mg of Sunsoil full-spectrum CBD oil and 50mg of 3Chi delta-8-THC oil first thing in the morning and before bed since around the end of April.

This helps with both my sleep quality/consistency and preventing semi-regular headaches that had been causing an unhealthy reliance on NSAIDs. It doesn't cause a high or any noticeable psychoactive effect.

However, rather than "munchies", it's actually significantly reduced my appetite. Without any other deliberate change to my routine, such as calorie counting/restriction, I've dropped from 210 to 186 over the past 2.5 months with no perceptible loss in muscle strength or mass, and so far see no signs of the trend stopping before I reach my goal BF%. (I use the term "deliberate" because, although I am currently only eating one meal per day around lunch - dinner time, it isn't an intentional IF/OMAD schedule; it's just the current limit of my appetite.)

That being said, I can't definitively attribute this effect to a particular compound. It could be the delta8, it could be the CBD, it could be a different cannabinoid, it could be the interactions between some or all of them, it could be the 200 calories of MCT oil that I'm now ingesting each day (on top of what I was already taking separately pre-workout), and/or it could be the interactions of any or all of the above with the fact that I've been keto for over nine years. YMMV.

Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you been diagnosed with ADHD? As to the productivity are you certain that you are more productive and not just feeling more productive? That's a pretty common thing with weed, it causes the brain to release dopamine which it normally does in response to you being productive.

ADHD wasn't a thing when I was a child. Does weed help with that? I've heard a lot of treating this condition with what is essentially legal amphetamines which sounds horrible to me. It's a shame, though not surprising in the least, that the good, cheap stuff is illegal in most of the world.

> with what is essentially legal amphetamines which sounds horrible to me

It's not.

Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ADHD wasn't a thing when I was a child. Does weed help with that? I've heard a lot of treating this condition with what is essentially legal amphetamines which sounds horrible to me. It's a shame, though not surprising in the least, that the good, cheap stuff is illegal in most of the world.

> with what is essentially legal amphetamines which sounds horrible to me It's not.

What is it not ? Legal amphetamine or horrible ?

Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with what is essentially legal amphetamines which sounds horrible to me It's not.

What is it not ? Legal amphetamine or horrible ?

Sorry, I realize now I wasn't clear. It's not horrible.

Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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Ironic that the penalty for cannabis possession goes up to death now in the place where it was first domesticated. Death for having a plant that makes people feel good and happy. Humans are weird. This study is really neat because as the article says the consensus was always Central Asia for the birthplace of cannabis and now we learn that it is East Asia.

"Death for having a plant that makes people feel good and happy. Humans are weird."

It's not just about feeling good (though that can be threat enough for some authorities -- dancing bans[1], for example).. Cannabis can have psychedelic effects at high doses, and has been used for religious and sacramental purposes (there has been speculation that cannabis was part of the anointing oil used in the bible, and perhaps in some of the biblical incenses used for religious purposes).

Secular and religious authorities have historically wanted to be in control of what people feel, believe, and think.. so when a plant can alter that or is believed to provide a direct route to communing with a diety or the spirit world instead of relying on the authorities to tell them what to believe or think, then it's easily seen as a threat.

In the US cannabis use was also associated with the counterculture, with the antiwar movement, and with anti-authoritarian sentiment, and with minorities.. all seen as threats to the establishment.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_ban

Re: Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago

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post #18

Since this is the first cannabis topic I've seen on HN, I have lots of questions/ideas/problems I want to share. I'm going to post them in no particular order. Maybe someone has a solution >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious. >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug…

Smoked weed every day for 10 years. >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious. Switch strains frequently, try to find stuff far from the other. >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug addiction/use? Is it ethical to promote drug use? No, but also investing in weed stocks…

Overall I agree with your comments.

> Switch strains - tends to be more common in Indicas with a higher than normal CBD

There is no scientific evidence backing up any claims about the effects of indica vs sativa, and no way to know which strain you're actually getting, even from dispensaries. They tend to be labeled according to the subjective experience of the person deciding how to label them. It's as meaningless as any other marketing label.

> If you have a Drs note, there isn't much they can do.

There's no federal protection, and state protections vary. Some states explicitly prohibit firing employees for off-duty medical marijuana use, but not all states with medical marijuana regulations have formal employee use regulations, and I don't think any have protections for recreational use. Additionally, even where medical use protections exist, they don't cover you being intoxicated on the job. There will be court cases that clarify all of this; meanwhile there's no definitive answer.

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