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Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:37 PM UTC

ugh wrote: post #104

natesm wrote: post #93

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I casually dabble in making music with Logic. When you open it (in Snow Leopard), it opens the last opened project. Logic is a pretty complex application, and there are a lot of different synths and filters. The synths take a lot of memory, since they have a large number (presumably) lossless audio samples in them (think every key on a piano, times X for X number of different strike velocities). Therefore, Logic only…

I know it doesn't help much, but you can globally prevent apps from resuming. There is even a checkbox for doing so in the System Preferences, it's not a hidden preference. I say it's not helping much since it's a global preferemce and resuming apps would be great to have – at least sometimes.

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Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:42 PM UTC

nzoschke wrote: post #13

jsdalton wrote: post #9

Since the article didn't mention it, I'll ask here. Anyone know the versions of Python, Ruby, Apache, PHP, etc. that come installed with OS X Lion?

$ /usr/bin/python -V Python 2.7.1 $ /usr/bin/ruby --version ruby 1.8.7 (2010-01-10 patchlevel 249) [universal-darwin11.0] $ /usr/bin/php --version PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 16 2011 22:26:57) Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies $ /usr/sbin/httpd -V Server version: Apache/2.2.19 (Unix) Server built: Jun 16 2011 22:09:54 Server's Module…

I heard there was some kind of Postgres included in the standard Lion installation, that true?

Also, is there a Python 3 bundled?

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by mixmastamyk » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:43 PM UTC

mmuro wrote: post #95

I skipped about four pages from the middle of this review because it was just way too technical. I know he's an engineer and wants to cover these things, but I'm not interested in seeing so much coverage for something that very few people will get. It's not so much a review as it is an overview.

You might consider getting a review from a more mainstream source then; ars and js are where they dig into the nuts and bolts.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by axxl » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:44 PM UTC

bengl3rt wrote: post #46

Siracusa strikes me as a power user type so I'm extremely surprised that he neglected to mention how patently awful and useless Mission Control is on multiple monitors. Whereas in the Spaces view in Snow Leopard I could move a window to a different space AND a different monitor with a quick drag, Mission Control doesn't allow this - I have to first move the window to the correct "Desktop", then exit MC and drag it to…

Regarding Mission Control and multiple monitors, what it will let you do is if it's on your second monitor in your current space, you can drag it to the second monitor of another space. It is odd that it doesn't let you do it directly (it even highlights if you drag it over, but just doesn't drop). So I guess you have to move it to the second, then go to mission control, then change what space it's in. Although this is just a different workflow it does make a bit more sense. Hopefully a change will come for this however.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:47 PM UTC

hamedh wrote: post #110

natesm wrote: post #36

On resuming application state: >So, how's that "geek panic" now? Still there, huh? Well, let me try to reassure you. As a committed user of a great Mac text editor that, years ago, implemented its own version of almost all the document management features described so far, I can tell you that you get used to it very quickly. Spoiled by it, in fact. Ruined by it, some would say. Yes, it's a very different model from t…

there's an options in system preferences to turn it off. but it's global for all apps

And it's an application implementation in any case, your application is perfectly free to not implement that API.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by Maci » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:49 PM UTC

mmuro wrote: post #95

I skipped about four pages from the middle of this review because it was just way too technical. I know he's an engineer and wants to cover these things, but I'm not interested in seeing so much coverage for something that very few people will get. It's not so much a review as it is an overview.

You must be new to Siracusa. Geek Porn at it's finest really. :)

"If this is your first time reading an Ars Technica review of Mac OS X and you've made it this far, be warned: this section will be even more esoteric than the ones you've already read. If you just want to see more screenshots of new or changed applications, feel free to skip ahead to the next section. We nerds won't think any less of you." - (Second Paragraph, Page 9)

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:51 PM UTC

RexRollman wrote: post #25

From page 13 of the review: "With ZFS out of the picture, Brtfs presumably eliminated due to its licensing, and future development of ReiserFS uncertain, its hard to see where Apple will get the modern file system that it so desperately needs other than by creating one itself." There is one BSD licensed option I can think of: HammerFS. However, considering the fact that the creator of BFS is an Apple employee, I coul…

> However, considering the fact that the creator of BFS is an Apple employee, I could totally envision them creating their own from scratch.

Dominic has been working at Apple since 2002. I'm guessing if they wanted a new filesystem they'd have tapped him quite a long time ago.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by DrJokepu » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:52 PM UTC

durin42 wrote: post #66

joblessjunkie wrote: post #59

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It's pretty much the only phone number I can remember.

I wonder if there's an age difference thing here. I'm unusual for my early twenties (AFAICT) in that I have several numbers in my head (including most of my college phone numbers, original home phone number, etc). Most of my friends are helpless without their cell.

No I really don't think it's an age thing; I think it's more likely a thing you're born with. I have no idea what my phone number is, have serious difficulties remembering even my postal code or house number. In the meantime, my girlfriend (who's my age) easily remembers the IP addresses of my servers.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by scott_s » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 8:58 PM UTC

SkyMarshal wrote: post #55

asolove wrote: post #5

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No, this has been one of the fundamental UI differences between Mac OS (from farther back than OS X) and Windows/Linux. Mac windows can only be resized from the bottom-right, with those other points being used to drag the window around.

I haven't owned an Apple since my old IIgs, but from playing around with friends' and Apple Store Macs, I always wondered if there was just a non-obvious way for powerusers to maximize Mac windows for an alt-Tab type window switching workflow. Now I know there wasn't. Was this ever a pain point for powerusers, especially on laptops, or did you just get used to it?

Just got used to it. I reboot very infrequently - once a week, if that - so I setup my windows once and just forget about it. The + button up top means "maximize vertically" in most applications, so that's a start. And in Terminal, it actually maximizes it to the whole screen.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by sciurus » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 9:14 PM UTC

rwmj wrote: post #70

asolove wrote: post #5

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No, this has been one of the fundamental UI differences between Mac OS (from farther back than OS X) and Windows/Linux. Mac windows can only be resized from the bottom-right, with those other points being used to drag the window around.

The irony being that GNOME 3 has slavishly copied (badly) various Mac OS X "features", one being the inability to resize windows from all sides. And less than a year later, Mac OS X changes to allow resizing from all sides.

I don't think this is true. I'm using GNOME 3 on Fedora 15, and I'm able to resize windows along all 4 edges and 3 of the 4 corners (I can't resize by the close button).