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Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by saddata »

axaxs wrote: post #4

I know this article is about Tahoe and paints a rather bleak picture...but this is nationwide. I traveled most of the east coast over the past few months, and every single city's service sectors are begging for employees. I've never seen so many fastfood places closed. And not like, boarded up, but appearing operational but having zero employees. And most weren't high cost of living areas...

It’s almost like people are being disincentivized to work or pay rent or not shoplift, in those high cost coastal cities.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by gotoeleven »

ashtonkem wrote: post #21
hattmall wrote: post #18

It's not going to change until the UI benefits and eviction moratoriums end. What person is going to go and work all day for less money?? Seriously, if you don't work right now you are getting UI, Food Stamps, and you don't have to pay rent. It literally doesn't not make economic sense to work right now for many people.

1) The extended UI has indeed ended in a lot of places, it’s not solved the problem. 2) If you need to hold hunger and homelessness over people’s heads in order to make them work, maybe your system is morally bankrupt?

>>>If you need to hold hunger and homelessness over people’s heads in order to make them work, maybe your system is morally bankrupt?

You mean the human condition? Life has always been this way and since we're not a post-scarcity society yet I don't see how any workable system would not be morally bankrupt by this standard.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by anonuser123456 »

djbebs wrote: post #24
underseacables wrote: post #15

“ Those who beat the real estate curve and bought property for their employees to live in before home prices skyrocketed are faring much better on the hiring front than their comrades.” So we are returning to factory towns? It seems the only solution is the cap rental prices, which traditionally doesn’t work. Maybe the city should be buying at the housing and providing it?

The solution is to not interfere in the market.

I agree with allowing the market to function, but I also believe it needs to be coupled with a land value tax to incentivise efficient use of the land. A land value tax incentives people to build up and build in a space efficient manner.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by ashtonkem »

gotoeleven wrote: post #42
ashtonkem wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) The extended UI has indeed ended in a lot of places, it’s not solved the problem. 2) If you need to hold hunger and homelessness over people’s heads in order to make them work, maybe your system is morally bankrupt?

>>>If you need to hold hunger and homelessness over people’s heads in order to make them work, maybe your system is morally bankrupt? You mean the human condition? Life has always been this way and since we're not a post-scarcity society yet I don't see how any workable system would not be morally bankrupt by this standard.

This argument is always made by the people who stand to earn exorbitant profits on the backs of those who they’re coercing to work.

Maybe people would be more eager to work if the benefits were more equitably distributed?

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by anonuser123456 »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #5
hmsshagatsea wrote: post #2

Honestly, I think this is good for Tahoe in the long run. The NIMBYs who constantly block development are getting a taste of their own medicine. When they’re finally fed up with the low staff and poor service they’ll see the need for affordable housing.

When the elephants fight the grass gets trampled.

Elephant dung fertilizes the grass and is necessary for long term health of the plain. Just saying...

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by tempodox »

EMM_386 wrote: post #3

This is becoming a problem in many areas, and I can't imagine that the push for remote work is going to help the situation any. Unless you are living with parents, or with multiple roommates, the housing market in these cities will price you out. We have this same scenario taking place in the area I live, and NIMBY/zoning laws prevent affordable housing from being developed. I've been to town hall meetings where peop…

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” — Science Fiction.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

SilasX wrote: post #31
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> NIMBY/zoning laws prevent affordable housing from being developed Jackson Hole reserves some housing for those who work full time for an employer in Teton County [1]. This strikes me as a reasonable balance between wanting to control housing stock and maintaining access to cheap labour. [1] https://www.tetoncountywy.gov/720/Workforce-Homes

No, tying any essential good to employment is not reasonable. See: health insurance.

> tying any essential good to employment is not reasonable

If you buy a workforce house, there is obviously no obligation to maintain employment. I’m not sure how it works for rentals.

The alternatives are flying people into company-owned housing, the way they did in Fargo during the oil boom. That seems far less savoury.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by BrianOnHN »

andrew_ wrote: post #30
axaxs wrote: post #4

I know this article is about Tahoe and paints a rather bleak picture...but this is nationwide. I traveled most of the east coast over the past few months, and every single city's service sectors are begging for employees. I've never seen so many fastfood places closed. And not like, boarded up, but appearing operational but having zero employees. And most weren't high cost of living areas...

Please be more nuanced in your replies when painting with a wide brush. Florida is absolutely exploding right now, and there's so much housing construction here that one can expect to wait for months for contractor availability. I've been in three of the five major FL cities in the past few months and while there are a lot of "help wanted" signs, businesses are open and busier than ever. What's hurting this region is…

Florida resident here, and I don't ever remember seeing $500 signing bonuses for gas station employees before now.

Yes, restaurants are busy here, but the service and food quality is obviously suffering.

Look up housing prices in the Tampa bay area. The new construction is all "Luxury" (just a word, still crappy) so they can sell $1,500 one bedrooms to foreigners.

Not that anyone's surprised, but look to Florida for more collapses (ecosystems, economic, not just buildings) coming soon...

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by SilasX »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47
SilasX wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, tying any essential good to employment is not reasonable. See: health insurance.

> tying any essential good to employment is not reasonable If you buy a workforce house, there is obviously no obligation to maintain employment. I’m not sure how it works for rentals. The alternatives are flying people into company-owned housing, the way they did in Fargo during the oil boom. That seems far less savoury.

So people can get a sham job to get cheap housing?
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