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Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by SilasX »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #13
EMM_386 wrote: post #3

This is becoming a problem in many areas, and I can't imagine that the push for remote work is going to help the situation any. Unless you are living with parents, or with multiple roommates, the housing market in these cities will price you out. We have this same scenario taking place in the area I live, and NIMBY/zoning laws prevent affordable housing from being developed. I've been to town hall meetings where peop…

> NIMBY/zoning laws prevent affordable housing from being developed Jackson Hole reserves some housing for those who work full time for an employer in Teton County [1]. This strikes me as a reasonable balance between wanting to control housing stock and maintaining access to cheap labour. [1] https://www.tetoncountywy.gov/720/Workforce-Homes

No, tying any essential good to employment is not reasonable. See: health insurance.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by BurningFrog »

axaxs wrote: post #4

I know this article is about Tahoe and paints a rather bleak picture...but this is nationwide. I traveled most of the east coast over the past few months, and every single city's service sectors are begging for employees. I've never seen so many fastfood places closed. And not like, boarded up, but appearing operational but having zero employees. And most weren't high cost of living areas...

We're in the middle of a gigantic reallocation of the economy after Covid.

It's going to take a while to sort out who works where in the new equilibrium.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by ashtonkem »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #10

Is it possible a reason behind the lack of people is also that a ton of our essential workers (aka service people) have died during the pandemic? Seriously, line cooks was one of the most fatal job positions during this time…

I do genuinely doubt that the “labor shortage” is directly caused by the fatalities, but:

1) It seems obvious that the high fatality rate among line cooks and other “essential workers” has driven them out of that line of work. If my colleague died for a line cook job, I’d strongly consider changing careers.

2) We’re running into the consequences of spending a year calling these people “essential workers” and “heroes” after decades of treating them like garbage. They’ve had a taste of dignity and recognition that they’ve been denied for a long time, good luck taking it back away.

3) In many ways this looks less like a labor shortage and more like a capital strike. Unless if you’re in an area where there has been significant migration, the workers do exist and are willing to work … but not at the rates that capital is demanding that they work.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by blululu »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #10

Is it possible a reason behind the lack of people is also that a ton of our essential workers (aka service people) have died during the pandemic? Seriously, line cooks was one of the most fatal job positions during this time…

Very unlikely. The death rate for someone under 65 is still pretty low (less than one percent last I checked). Even with an elevated infection rate it would be unlikely for that to make a big dent on the labor pool. Especially when the price of housing has gone up double digit percentage points for the area in question.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by dragonwriter »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #23
h2odragon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the drifts of corpses in the less wealthy areas of town have been so vexing this last year. We'll probably have to import more servants, the lower classes aren't breeding fast enough anymore.

We'll probably have to import more servants, the lower classes aren't breeding fast enough anymore. Let's just mention that the Biden administration undid the Trump restrictions on immigration and instituted the child tax credit.

> Let's just mention that the Biden administration undid the Trump restrictions on immigration and instituted the child tax credit.

The second part is not true. As part of COVID stimulus, Congress instituted a temporary increase in the pre-existing child tax credit, and as part of making that stimulus timely made it so that a portion of the credit would be paid out monthly this year.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by axaxs »

andrew_ wrote: post #30
axaxs wrote: post #4

I know this article is about Tahoe and paints a rather bleak picture...but this is nationwide. I traveled most of the east coast over the past few months, and every single city's service sectors are begging for employees. I've never seen so many fastfood places closed. And not like, boarded up, but appearing operational but having zero employees. And most weren't high cost of living areas...

Please be more nuanced in your replies when painting with a wide brush. Florida is absolutely exploding right now, and there's so much housing construction here that one can expect to wait for months for contractor availability. I've been in three of the five major FL cities in the past few months and while there are a lot of "help wanted" signs, businesses are open and busier than ever. What's hurting this region is…

I'm unsure what you're asking of me...please clarify?

I've traveled in or through Asheville, Greenville, Savannah, Knoxville, Jacksonville, and noticed it. Savannah was probably the worst, and it is not a high cost area, at all.

I live in Florida. There's a burger king near me that is just...empty. Lights on, nobody there.

The 7/11 near me has one employee. He runs 3 registers to keep the line moving. I see him training people about once or twice a month, but they never seem to stick around.

Re: Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses during its busiest season

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Post by B2B_human »

stitched2gethr wrote: post #9

> “But you know, every other week, someone loses their housing and I have to fill up the position again.” Naive view here, but isn't this an indication that the job is not paying enough for the location?

Not naive, you just didn't read the article fully?

It doesn't matter how much you're paying people - they can't find a place to live here. The CFO of company here has had to move to Arizona recently and works remotely now. I live in Truckee and this isn't just affecting temporary workers or low-paid workers. This isn't even the "well it's gonna be $3500 for a one bedroom like SF, so I'll pay up". people simply can't find places in a reasonable pricing band. Then, when they find it - the owners sell it next year and the search begins again.

Anybody without a house is in a vulnerable state in this economy IMO.

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