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Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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post #17

This is part of a larger trend. See the maps here of the changes in permitted carry since the 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry This GIF in particular makes that point clearly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#/media/Fi... And if anything it has accelerated around the Covid pandemic: https://biostats.ucdavis.edu/health-news/newsroom/us-saw-sur... As the politics in this country…

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Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#22
post #6

I thought this was a terrible idea until I realized that other states are already doing it without any problems.

Genuine question: can you elaborate on "without any problems"? As a European I find the level of gun violence in the US to be shocking, so I don't understand why lax gun laws like these are not a problem. The Bill Hicks quote "There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone, and if you make one you're a fool and a communist" is perhaps overly simplistic but it does feel like it gets at a truth that when you have lots of people walking around with guns, lots of people are going to get shot. I recognise that how the US gets to low gun ownership from where it is now, and whether the US even wants that, are tricky questions, but I really have trouble wrapping my head around the view on gun ownership in the US in general, let alone particular aspects of it like private ownership of assault weapons.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#23
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's the same wave of people pushing "contraversal" voting laws at that level. Really something to be proud of /s

Absolutely incorrect. Gun control is another racist policy meant to keep control over those the elites fear.

So is restricting voting

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#24
post #7

Congratulations to Texas for joining the more than 20 states respecting both the natural right to arms and the Constitution's regulation on government interference with it. I wish they had enumerated many more specific rights not to infringe, but some of the most violated today were considered too obvious to merit specific attention. We're seeing a huge surge for protecting gun rights on the local and state levels, n…

That little known 4th law of thermodynamics…

Those AR-15 trees sure are pretty this time of year.

Natural sure is a weird word to use for a purposeful human industrial activity.

Given the state of our culture, I’m hard pressed to take average citizens seriously as political agents for themselves.

Why not lean into corporatism if self-aggrandizing saber rattling is all the average citizen is?

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#25
post #17

This is part of a larger trend. See the maps here of the changes in permitted carry since the 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry This GIF in particular makes that point clearly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#/media/Fi... And if anything it has accelerated around the Covid pandemic: https://biostats.ucdavis.edu/health-news/newsroom/us-saw-sur... As the politics in this country…

People on both sides like to have options to protect themselves and family. So many new liberal gun owners these past few years with the pandemic, civil unrest, liberal president calling for bans and restrictions on everything. Conservatives welcoming new gun owners with open arms. I have heard from so many friends talking about their liberal friends asking what guns to buy.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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post #17

This is part of a larger trend. See the maps here of the changes in permitted carry since the 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry This GIF in particular makes that point clearly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#/media/Fi... And if anything it has accelerated around the Covid pandemic: https://biostats.ucdavis.edu/health-news/newsroom/us-saw-sur... As the politics in this country…

Perhaps it's the same trend. Citizens having control over arms is a classical liberal idea.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#27
post #6

I thought this was a terrible idea until I realized that other states are already doing it without any problems.

No problems? Look at the science. https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14906 "In a hypothetical situation in which there are 39,000 firearms deaths nationally under the permissive combination of these three laws, we expect 4,475 (80% CI, 1,761 to 6,949) more deaths nationally than under the restrictive combination of these laws."

As usual the "science" on this issue is garbage politics. Gun violence by legal gun owners is statistically near zero despite owning hundreds of millions of guns in the US.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#28
post #6

I thought this was a terrible idea until I realized that other states are already doing it without any problems.

No problems? Look at the science. https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14906 "In a hypothetical situation in which there are 39,000 firearms deaths nationally under the permissive combination of these three laws, we expect 4,475 (80% CI, 1,761 to 6,949) more deaths nationally than under the restrictive combination of these laws."

This is an interesting chance to support or refute the theory you cite. Watch the homicide rate in TX over the next five years and see if it goes up 11% (maybe after adjusting for national/regional chnages) or not.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#29
post #6

I thought this was a terrible idea until I realized that other states are already doing it without any problems.

Genuine question: can you elaborate on "without any problems"? As a European I find the level of gun violence in the US to be shocking, so I don't understand why lax gun laws like these are not a problem. The Bill Hicks quote "There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone, and if you make one you're a fool and a communist" is perhaps overly simp…

States that have passed these laws saw no dramatic increase in shootings, and optional permits actually went up in these states. Everything related to buying, owning, shooting a gun is exactly the same, the only difference is you no longer need to pay $50-400 to carry it on your person, which criminals do for free.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#30

This helps eliminate a victimless crime. The criminals will still carry illegally and this bill actually upgrades the felony for those who are caught carrying who legally could not. Now someone who needs to carry who can't afford the overpriced classes, fingerprints, waiting for the state to mail you a card to give you your rights is gone. A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection, and either cant affor…

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