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Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

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Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

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Post by majkinetor »

Many people here say that software not being polished is kind of a problem but that is irrelevant - you can always install alternative app and you should. I would be most happy if all those default garbage "apps" are left out on ANY phone (i.e. minimal install) - just give me OS and let me be, I can install stuff I use on my own. You should never use apps tied to vendor as portability of your tools is most important.

Not only Xiaomi phones are cheaper, but technology is IMO way better then that of Samsung and friends:

- Face recognition NEVER FAILS. It fails on MS Surface (and in kinda embarrassing way really), Samsung, Huwei etc. but never on Xiaomi - it can rain, snow, you can change haircuts... its irrelevant, it only scan eyes.

- MAUI is way less bloated IMO then alternatives

- Glass is awesome on my Redmi - I recently dropped it on asphalt (which is very sharp) from 1.5 meter height and then I hit it with my foot while walking so it slide on asphalt on the glass side, traveling around 5 meters. I thought it will go to trash can after that, but I picked it up and there was just a small scratch ! Amazing

I am not judging only using phone xperience - all other gadgets I got from the company are great and 3 times cheaper then alternative - air cleaner, roborock etc.

Good job Xiaomi.

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

#62

Post by aneutron »

as1mov wrote: post #39
senko wrote: post #30

I've got a Xiaomi phone (Mi 10 Lite) and am pretty happy with it. Hardware is great. Software (MIUI) is adware crap, which I knew when I was buying. I tweaked privacy settings as much was possible, and I use almost none of the builtin apps. Instead I use Firefox Focus+Mobile for browsing, Amaze for file management, Dropbox for file storage and PDF view, etc. Overall the entire experience is comparable (for me) to a S…

Most of the Xiaomi phones are supported by LineageOS. If you have an hour to spare, you can easily unlock the bootloader and install it to get a stock Android experience (even skip out Google Services if you want). I have the Poco F1, cost me about $230 for SD845 + 8GB RAM + 4000mAh + 256GB storage. It's a pretty good deal after installing LineageOS on it.

The downside is that you lose DRM-enabled content. For example, it's a hassle to use Netflix at 720p/1080p, and what's more important to my use case for example, is Spotify. It's _possible_ in theory, but it's extremely hacky.

I personally went the Google route w/ a Pixel 4a, so I get a simple, zero non-sense UI, with no forced ads or anything, just a smooth experience, at a slight premium (not that much to be completely fair ...)

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

#63

Post by Wronnay »

fomine3 wrote: post #20
nabla9 wrote: post #2

This is a list of brand market shares, incorrectly labeled as vendor market shares. The largest smartphone vendor is BBK Electronics. They manufacture multiple brands like Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Realme, iQOO. Their brands have over 40% market share in China, India, over 50% in Southeast Asia, and are generally the largest vendor all over the developing world. The real list is 1. 24% BBK Electronics (10% Oppo, 10% Vivo,…

I read mobile industry mania's blogpost written in Japanese, it argues that OPPO was delivered from BBK but there are no capital relationship between BBK Communication Technology and OPPO(Guangdong Oujia Holdings). It also refers Nikkei's article confirmed that. http://blogofmobile.com/article/121143 I searched and it seems true. https://www.qichamao.com/orgcompany/searchitemdtl/e6f25044f9... https://www.aitouyan.com…

It's really confusing because so many Wikipedia and Media Articles write that Oppo is a Subsidiary of BBK...

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

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Post by sdoering »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #60
sdoering wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Besides, one person's "targeted by interventionism" is another person's "liberated by democratic forces". Does newspeaking it make it better? And if one would look at the examples of "liberation by democratic forces" over the last decades I feel that it is somewhat difficult to find an instance that wasn't a prime example of securing natural ressources or ensuring of keeping the global power structure intact. I mig…

>Does newspeaking it make it better? The difference in language is often just political rhetoric. The difference in substance became very clear to me talking to my grandfather who was liberated by democratic forces and would have been insulted by having that called "targeted by US interventionism". There are good reasons for both sentiments based on actual, sometimes painful, experience. We should respect that. It's…

I am not denying that there are examples of democratic liberation. Especially from history. Take the Yugoslavia conflict. Intervention by an international force there was at the time probably the lesser evil. It stopped genocide (a great plus in my book) while at the same time generating hatred that created terrorism (a big minus).

There are no easy answers.

But most current interventions as well as many historic ones were not motivated by ulterior motives but by economic ones and questions of power.

Coming from Germany and having studied history I must ask myself when did liberation turn to intervention because of political or economical gains? While keeping the rhetoric more or less the same.

There is imho a difference between WW II or Yugoslavia and Kuwait. Or Irak. Or even Afghanistan. Or Serbia. Or different South American states were intervention is often less militaristic.

I feel we need to have a way to differentiate and look closer to be able to discuss without falling back to ideology or "party lines".

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

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Post by vbezhenar »

majkinetor wrote: post #61

Many people here say that software not being polished is kind of a problem but that is irrelevant - you can always install alternative app and you should. I would be most happy if all those default garbage "apps" are left out on ANY phone (i.e. minimal install) - just give me OS and let me be, I can install stuff I use on my own. You should never use apps tied to vendor as portability of your tools is most important.…

> - Face recognition NEVER FAILS. It fails on MS Surface (and in kinda embarrassing way really), Samsung, Huwei etc. but never on Xiaomi - it can rain, snow, you can change haircuts... its irrelevant, it only scan eyes.

What about false positive rate? It's there for security after all, not for convenience. Actually that's what makes me worry about biometrics. I was able to find out Apple claims about security characteristics of their fingerprint recognition and face recognition features. But I was not able to find this information for Android vendors, it's like nobody cares.

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

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Post by krisoft »

majkinetor wrote: post #61

Many people here say that software not being polished is kind of a problem but that is irrelevant - you can always install alternative app and you should. I would be most happy if all those default garbage "apps" are left out on ANY phone (i.e. minimal install) - just give me OS and let me be, I can install stuff I use on my own. You should never use apps tied to vendor as portability of your tools is most important.…

> Face recognition NEVER FAILS

Are we talking about the false negative or the false positive rate here?

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

#67

Post by lmm »

jcynix wrote: post #55
yorwba wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just install LineageOS on it and have nobody spy on you: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#xiaomi

How does LineageOS stop the "little black box" which handles GSM/UTMS/etc traffic from spying on you? Or your telecom provider from tracking you? Don't get me wrong, I like these free OS versions, but while I could teach my wife, my mother in law etc to manage Netguard, I couldn't teach them to handle Lineage, f-Droid all by themselves.

> How does LineageOS stop the "little black box" which handles GSM/UTMS/etc traffic from spying on you?

Is that part even made by Xiaomi?

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

#68

Post by fomine3 »

Wronnay wrote: post #63
fomine3 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read mobile industry mania's blogpost written in Japanese, it argues that OPPO was delivered from BBK but there are no capital relationship between BBK Communication Technology and OPPO(Guangdong Oujia Holdings). It also refers Nikkei's article confirmed that. http://blogofmobile.com/article/121143 I searched and it seems true. https://www.qichamao.com/orgcompany/searchitemdtl/e6f25044f9... https://www.aitouyan.com…

It's really confusing because so many Wikipedia and Media Articles write that Oppo is a Subsidiary of BBK...

I wish English writer investigate about this topic

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

#69

Post by as1mov »

adflux wrote: post #57

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Most of the people buying Chinese phones live in the developing countries barely earning $300-$400 a month.

They could stick it to the man by buying the latest iPhone/Pixel that protects their privacy and at the same time takes a strong political stance against a shitty regime, but they have other more pressing and immediate issues to deal with.

Re: Xiaomi becomes number two smartphone vendor for first time ever in Q2 2021

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

sdoering wrote: post #64
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Does newspeaking it make it better? The difference in language is often just political rhetoric. The difference in substance became very clear to me talking to my grandfather who was liberated by democratic forces and would have been insulted by having that called "targeted by US interventionism". There are good reasons for both sentiments based on actual, sometimes painful, experience. We should respect that. It's…

I am not denying that there are examples of democratic liberation. Especially from history. Take the Yugoslavia conflict. Intervention by an international force there was at the time probably the lesser evil. It stopped genocide (a great plus in my book) while at the same time generating hatred that created terrorism (a big minus). There are no easy answers. But most current interventions as well as many historic one…

I agree completely. My intention wasn't to toe any party line. On the contrary, I think the history of many conflicts is so ugly and complex that people can legitimately feel very differently about the same event.

I can't even begin to imagine how various groups of people (ethnic groups, women, young men, ...) or individuals in Afghanistan may feel about the various interventions during the past half century.

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