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Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by echelon »

_xy8h wrote: post #324
echelon wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're painting the entire right as Nazis though. That's not at all accurate. Some people just don't want to be taxed, want their guns, and are afraid of the theory of evolution. You're failing to see the huge distribution of people on both sides. There are Nazis on both sides, but there aren't many. The majority are closer to the middle, and the media uses the extreme examples to enrage and divide for dollars.

> You're painting the entire right as Nazis though. Do you know what you call someone who is okay associating with white supremacists? A white supremacist.

You're so wrong.

You're dealing in absolutes and lumping everyone you disagree with into the Hitler/racist bin. It's an indoctrination.

Explain non-white conservatives. Explain them in other non-US countries such as Japan. Explain white (often Christian) conservatives that adopt minority children.

You're so single minded in your hate towards these people, most of whom you do not know, that you can't see that you're wrong. Perhaps it is your world view and experiences are that are limited.

I'm sorry you feel this way.

I hope you can start loving more people than you hate.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by techrat »

echelon wrote: post #341
_xy8h wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're painting the entire right as Nazis though. Do you know what you call someone who is okay associating with white supremacists? A white supremacist.

You're so wrong. You're dealing in absolutes and lumping everyone you disagree with into the Hitler/racist bin. It's an indoctrination. Explain non-white conservatives. Explain them in other non-US countries such as Japan. Explain white (often Christian) conservatives that adopt minority children. You're so single minded in your hate towards these people, most of whom you do not know, that you can't see that you're w…

I will not love people who associate with and vote for those who wish people like me, and people I ally with as brothers and sisters, to be treated as subhuman. Or wish me to be dead just because I'm not like them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/01/pride-mon... - As Pride Month begins, Republicans double down on restricting transgender Americans - Across 33 states, more than 100 anti-transgender bills have been introduced just in the first few months of 2021.

https://www.koin.com/local/multnomah-county/pinochet-did-no-... - A number of Patriot Prayer supporters, including group leader Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, wore t-shirts at the Saturday protest in Portland that read: Pinochet did nothing wrong.

If peoples' lives are so easily overlooked that you'd rather save a few bucks on your tax bill and will vote for people who align with white supremacists, then yes, you're scum.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by lelanthran »

bumby wrote: post #316
lelanthran wrote: post #308

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> If you have to show proof to register then why do you need to show proof to vote? In fact, if you have ID that proves you are a valid voter then registration shouldn't be necessary at all. Why don't you ask every other country why they do such a thing? Seriously, if the issue was as clear-cut as you make it out to be ("Those peoples are just trying to suppress the votes of their opponents") then the US would not be…

The short answer is that doesn't always work because the U.S. is different in important aspects (and this doesn't mean necessarily claiming American exceptionalism). I think there are some problems when you bring in the "Why don't you ask every other country?" argument. For one, not every country has the same protections that the U.S. carries in the Bill of Rights. This is why you can't, for example, use this defense…

You misunderstand me - I am not saying that the law is needed/not needed. I'm not on any particular side of the argument.

What I am saying is that presenting the argument as a clear-cut case of $PARTY wants to limit voter participation from certain demographics is disingenuous - it is NOT clear-cut at all because more countries require voter registration than not.

So no one should be attacking labeling a proponent of this law as a Nazi just because they support it - the majority of the world's voting democracies can't be Nazis, now can they?

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by howaboutnope »

pseudalopex wrote: post #307
howaboutnope wrote: post #214

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Except when they're not. For example, when something about a specific retro computing feat is posted, people will just ramble about something very faintly related that they saw or did or purchased or dreamed about recently. E.g. topic is about an Amiga accelerator card, and there will be someone mentioning how they recently cleaned up the Amiga 500 they had in the garage -- like, who cares? Exactly like the comment w…

People who read the comments first like when someone highlights an interesting part of the article. It led some people to learn about Karnaugh maps probably. And it didn't have lots of competition. The top comment of this discussion is a link to the scanned book.

That just means it wasn't a perfect example for what I was referring to, but if I were to go digging, I could find you ten thousands of comments like these:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11512113

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11512254

It really just is small talk, no information, nothing. Instead of trying to find a rationalization for these, too, why not accept that yeah, small talk is perfectly fine, until it's not, and it's frowned upon, unless it isn't? Because it contradicts the self-congratulatory notion that "folks here prefer substance"?

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by seirl »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #39

As a french, it reminds me very much of the FM 3-24 Counterinsurgency manual: a pragmatic and clear book that tries to make approachable what seems an impossible topic to handle. That's really a side of the american culture I'd like we promote more. Also a proof militaries are not devoid of humanism.

> As a french

Aaaaaargh

https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/jldsdr/sérieux_les_...

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by _Nat_ »

pseudalopex wrote: post #323
_Nat_ wrote: post #312

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It's better to understand what people are trying to say than to misattribute false interpretations. For example, in this case the speaker clearly wasn't trying to equate Romani to swindlers. Any logic arriving at such a faulty conclusion would seem fallacious, presumably due to over-simplification.

I attributed no intent.

It's hard to guess what point you're trying to make.

My best guess might be that you're trying to represent a belief that words have context-free meaning, and then you're very short in your own communication in part due to that same belief.

However I disagree with jumping to conclusions about stuff. For example, while I might try to guess that you're arguing that words ought to be held as context-free, such an argument would seem quite naive, such that I'd prefer not attribute it to another on the basis of speculation alone.

In short, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by bumby »

lelanthran wrote: post #343
bumby wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The short answer is that doesn't always work because the U.S. is different in important aspects (and this doesn't mean necessarily claiming American exceptionalism). I think there are some problems when you bring in the "Why don't you ask every other country?" argument. For one, not every country has the same protections that the U.S. carries in the Bill of Rights. This is why you can't, for example, use this defense…

You misunderstand me - I am not saying that the law is needed/not needed. I'm not on any particular side of the argument. What I am saying is that presenting the argument as a clear-cut case of $PARTY wants to limit voter participation from certain demographics is disingenuous - it is NOT clear-cut at all because more countries require voter registration than not. So no one should be attacking labeling a proponent of…

I agree, but I am saying the “other countries think this is obviously fine policy” is a flawed argument. There are many good and bad reasons a policy is acceptable in one country and not another. That’s not to say the fascism argument is a good one either, just that there are more principled points to make.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by daddylongstroke »

eplanit wrote: post #52
ThePadawan wrote: post #9

> (...) tensions began to rise between the French and the U.S. military personnel stationed in the country, with the former seeing the latter as arrogant and wanting to flaunt their wealth, and the latter seeing the former as proud and resentful. Well. I mean... Joking aside, the text is amazingly blunt and honest, in a rather refreshing way. "The French don't bathe." The French don't bathe often enough. They can't.…

It's true. Europeans of that era did not bathe everyday. My stepfather escaped nazi Germany, and moved to the us in the 40s. He grudgingly adapted to daily bathing (my mother's insistence), but remarked how very American that is. He was very 20th century European, for sure.

To this day I don't bathe or shower everyday (maybe once a week, or two weeks?). I can't understand this American obsession with running away from your own real self. Why all this intollerance of being and smelling like a human being?

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by vb6sp6 »

daddylongstroke wrote: post #348
eplanit wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true. Europeans of that era did not bathe everyday. My stepfather escaped nazi Germany, and moved to the us in the 40s. He grudgingly adapted to daily bathing (my mother's insistence), but remarked how very American that is. He was very 20th century European, for sure.

To this day I don't bathe or shower everyday (maybe once a week, or two weeks?). I can't understand this American obsession with running away from your own real self. Why all this intollerance of being and smelling like a human being?

This isn't rocket science. Bad odors are offensive. If you stepped in dog shit, you'd (hopefully) clean you shoe and wouldn't get on a soap box about "running away from the true natural smells of nature" or some other nonsense.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by esrauch »

rayiner wrote: post #290
esrauch wrote: post #243

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Your sentence is really the same divisive "other side is crazy" crap that everyone else is complaining about. Folks on both the left and right (under US definitions) will sniffily do that same thing and act like their positions are obviously correct and the other side obviously unreasonable.

When was that? 30 years ago? Try having a conversation today with a progressive about virtually any issue where American conservatives may agree with people in Asia or Africa (or even a big chunk of moderate Democrats). I noticed this particularly acutely in how progressives have rallied around Muslims but you can’t actually talk about a bunch of stuff my Bangladeshi mom and aunts believe. Same sex marriage is one ex…

I really think your specific political leanings are deeply clouding your view of things. People on the side X have conversations with other people on the same side about all topics and discuss the finer points. That is true for both sides.

People on side X can't have any conversation with people on side Y about any of the topics because both sides just instantly devolve into tribalism and accusing the other side of being unreasonable. Which is exactly what you're doing, and what you're saying the left does to you

I don't know where you're getting "30 years ago". It's worse today than ever across both sides.

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