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'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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This is a reasonable hypothesis but do you have any more evidence for this than the others?

They weren't offering a hypothesis for the cause of this, only noting the difficulty of making such determinations given the circumstances. Besides which, all any of us have to go by are hypothesis. I think it's pretty clear that speculation is the only thing available to discussions on the possible causes.

Yes they are, they are clearly saying that it's psychosomatic.

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Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but the new stories exist because of the attacks. If they didn't do the attack... there wouldn't be any news stories, would there?

No, the news stories exist because people have strange symptoms. Even with no attacks the stories could happen.

Ok... now think this through. Imagine there were no strange symptoms, and so no stories, and you wanted to create the stories... what would you do to cause the symptoms? The attacks, right?

Or are you suggesting a foreign power that wanted to cause fear would just hang around and wait and hope for symptoms to appear out of nowhere?

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Long Covid is demonstrably provable with scans, O2-saturation, blood pressure and other diagnostic checks. https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n853/rr-2

From your BMJ reference: The term long covid embraces a wide spectrum of organ involvement, with no clear evidence yet to help inform efficient diagnostic pathways or specific treatments or to indicate probable prognosis.

That still doesn't mean it lacks concrete objectively measurable symptoms.

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Because this story is related to Vienna and your post fits ... Let me tell you about the viennese hotdog stand owner who had three microwaves running at all time, to heat food quickly. Open. Behind his back. There was a glass in between the customers and him, shielded, but the pressure of the microwaves (heat, i guess?) could be felt through the opening, where he hands out the food. Of course it killed him eventually…

I think the microwave is designed so that the radiation resonates in a cavity. Once you open the cavity, the waves spread in all directions and the energy drops off very quickly.

They are contained by front door, which has a metal lattice to create a Faraday cage. Of course they drop off in open air, but leaking microwaves are not safe.

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So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US. What if it's as a result of a US spy-craft instrument/substance side effect that potentially was not disclosed to the diplomats who suffer?

> So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US.

1) Does not automatically follow. The US has the same geopolitical enemies with the same capabilities regardless of location of agents.

2) A public report engenders more reports since someone doesn't have to worry about losing their position/security clearance/etc. because they are "mentally unstable".

3) I don't think it's a side-effect that wasn't disclosed. If anything, it's a side-effect that is unknown from something trying to be protective. Gulf War Syndrome is a good example of that.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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This is hysteria.

Week one, years ago for this story, physicists said this is not possible, still stands since physics is still the same -

BBC - "The syndrome is unexplained, but US scientists say it is most probably caused by directed microwave radiation."

If you need a lesson, travel and work overseas is hard mentally. Totally manageable, and the reward is amazing. But look after yourself, just don't underestimate it.

Other lesson, diplomats are nothing special. Not especially smart. Normally just willing to be inquisitive about a country and stay inquisitive. They too get run down.

And you are being played by the state department here, they know it's hysteria, they have seen it before, but there is no reason for them to correct it internally or externally. It fits with cold war lite with Russia.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long Covid is demonstrably provable with scans, O2-saturation, blood pressure and other diagnostic checks. https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n853/rr-2

From your BMJ reference: The term long covid embraces a wide spectrum of organ involvement, with no clear evidence yet to help inform efficient diagnostic pathways or specific treatments or to indicate probable prognosis.

"...In this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis....."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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Maybe it's the ham radio jamming that causes it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27857290

This. My parents were amateur ham radio operators. I got tinnitus and always blamed the linear amplifiers they used on the room next to my bedroom.
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