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I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…

From the article:

> After 37 years, I still get forced to work 12 hours a day, seven days a week... I make $20.50 [an hour] after 37 years here.

Assuming they obey overtime laws, he's' making $112,996 a year ((40 * 20.5) + (44 * 1.5 * 20.5) * 52).

I think that has something to do with it. There likely aren't any alternatives where someone with that skill set can make nearly double the median income for Topeka, Kansas. But there are probably alternatives where they can make maybe a half that at more reasonable hours.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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What percentage of labor cost would a company like Frito lay have to reach before they consider moving the company to another country? I think about Oreos and how they are made in Mexico now, and I always wonder what was the calculus behind that. How much money are they saving? Is there a generally recognized point where labor is so expensive that outsourcing begins to make more sense? Edit: my bad grammar

The U.S. keeps sugar prices artificially high, and sugar is the first ingredient in Oreos. [1] That is why the candy companies fled Chicago for Canada. Probably also drove Oreo mfg out as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oreo

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…

You are free to offer them $100k / yr for 40hr weeks at your company.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…

Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? As someone who had to do similar work for years the answer is that there were no alternatives. No one takes a shitty job on purpose.

That then raises the question of why they're paying time and a half to work their employees to death.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…

Going on strike is deciding not to do it, and the article suggests they can't hire anyone:

> Frito-Lay has been told they need to fix this but unfortunately, when they bring in new people, they force the same schedule on them and they quit. Frito-Lay has waited so long to replace workers, and now Frito Lay has a horrible reputation in town so a lot of people won't work here.

It seems like the existing workers mostly put up with it for a while, and then it eventually fell apart like you'd expect.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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I used to work as an equity analyst, so have come at this problem from totally the other end. The number one problem, that I have seen no-one talk about, are certain incentives from the market (not short-termism, if someone says that they don't understand what is happening). I buy PEP at 15x earnings...I don't need a lot of growth to make that price work. Even if they grow a 10-20% over five years, I will probably ma…

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Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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> I stay here because in two years, I'll be 62 and I have a union pension acquired over 37 years. I've spent so much time here that I might as well take that pension and social security and call it quits. Had they not been locked in by the pension, I'd imagine most of them would've quit, and Frito-Lay would've been force to improve conditions. I wonder if unions prefer pensions pretty much for the same reason--it all…

Nope. He is just like a prisoner coming up for parole who doesn't want to get into any trouble that will affect his release.

The risk isn't worth it.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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I used to work as an equity analyst, so have come at this problem from totally the other end. The number one problem, that I have seen no-one talk about, are certain incentives from the market (not short-termism, if someone says that they don't understand what is happening). I buy PEP at 15x earnings...I don't need a lot of growth to make that price work. Even if they grow a 10-20% over five years, I will probably ma…

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Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best thing about moving to remote work is that it will enable people to live in these smaller communities while having the increased income of the city. I hope this will bring more money back to local economies and revitalize rural areas.

All this will do is drive up the cost of housing as remote workers compete for it, driving out the locals. Remote workers also don’t fully contribute to the economy of the rural area because their place of employment is not in that area. If the company the remote worker works for does well and grows, that won’t grow the rural community.

Right but the remote worker will spend money locally keeping the local economy going. And do you not pay local income tax? The only possible downside is if they're hooked on convenience and order everything online from amazon or whatever instead of patronising local shops.
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