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I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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People like that work the same hours in the EU.

Working 7 days a week all the time is not legal in the EU, see [0]. Also, many EU countries have even stricter local regulations in that regard. https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/workin...

But are the regulations enforced?

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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No choices. This is in the Midwest in the middle of no-where. No you can't realistically move - every other location is far more expensive and would require significant relocation expense, and you'd have to leave your community, likely where you were born and raise(d) your family.

And yet during the Great Depression poor people moved by the thousands to find work in other states. Sure it was hard but they did what they had to in order to survive.

Mobility doesn’t work like that anymore. Moving states in 1929 meant, for the most part, a completely fresh start - your landlord wasn’t going to chase you for the rest of the rent on your lease, you didn’t have a car payment or health insurance to worry about (using social security nets like medical or housing assistance is even harder when you haven’t yet established residency in a new state), and if you had any debts or even reputation issues they were very unlikely to “follow” you. Now we have credit reporting, background checks, and a system that, by design, makes it all but impossible to “start over” when you have no other options.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…

Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? As someone who had to do similar work for years the answer is that there were no alternatives. No one takes a shitty job on purpose.

I thought so as well, but then I started offering jobs to people I knew hated their jobs and also worked unpaid overtime constantly, with the smallest salaries. But for some reason, when offered a 6x salary freelancing, for less hours, with guidance, and the road paved as much as possible, everyone refuses.

Turns out there are people who take shitty jobs on purpose, out of a sense of... I don't know, fear, embarrassment, impostor syndrome, or a combination of them.

*This is not in the US.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…

Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? As someone who had to do similar work for years the answer is that there were no alternatives. No one takes a shitty job on purpose.

It's a self-feeding cycle.

First you need work two 10 hour shifts a day, 7 days a week to survive. Then you can't even study, because you can't afford it.

This is why proper unemployment and free schools (evil SOCIALISM) comes in to play. People don't need to work themselves to death just to survive, there are safety nets you can fall back on. (Yes there are holes in said nets, but it's better than the gaping black hole the US has).

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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post #73

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Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? As someone who had to do similar work for years the answer is that there were no alternatives. No one takes a shitty job on purpose.

I thought so as well, but then I started offering jobs to people I knew hated their jobs and also worked unpaid overtime constantly, with the smallest salaries. But for some reason, when offered a 6x salary freelancing, for less hours, with guidance, and the road paved as much as possible, everyone refuses. Turns out there are people who take shitty jobs on purpose, out of a sense of... I don't know, fear, embarrassm…

They want something stable. Freelancing is not.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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I used to work as an equity analyst, so have come at this problem from totally the other end. The number one problem, that I have seen no-one talk about, are certain incentives from the market (not short-termism, if someone says that they don't understand what is happening). I buy PEP at 15x earnings...I don't need a lot of growth to make that price work. Even if they grow a 10-20% over five years, I will probably ma…

I feel like there is something interesting in here but the finance jargon and writing style is obscuring it for me.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? As someone who had to do similar work for years the answer is that there were no alternatives. No one takes a shitty job on purpose.

I thought so as well, but then I started offering jobs to people I knew hated their jobs and also worked unpaid overtime constantly, with the smallest salaries. But for some reason, when offered a 6x salary freelancing, for less hours, with guidance, and the road paved as much as possible, everyone refuses. Turns out there are people who take shitty jobs on purpose, out of a sense of... I don't know, fear, embarrassm…

Maybe they think the offer is too good to be true. In some countries it is default to assume everyone is out to scam you until proven otherwise.

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working 7 days a week all the time is not legal in the EU, see [0]. Also, many EU countries have even stricter local regulations in that regard. https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/workin...

But are the regulations enforced?

Yes

Re: I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week

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Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…

> Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative?

A lot of people who work paycheck-to-paycheck in "flyover state" parts of the USA do not have sufficient savings to relocate to a place where they could work a normal 40-hour week schedule and support themselves on a reasonable income. That, combined with family ties and obligations force them to remain in their local community.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/americans-struggle-to-save...

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