Everyone knows to work smart not hard. What's stopping them?
They are being very smart, by striking and standing up for their rights.
I think forcing people to work that many hours should be illegal, like in the EU
I'm a Frito-Lay Factory Worker. I Work 12-Hour Days, 7 Days a Week
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#12Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…
Besides some of the obvious reasons such as the previously mentioned location limitations and low education limiting possibilities, I'll throw out another one. Once you're in a job like this it kind of limits your ability to branch out into less physically demanding and better paying work. Your resume kind of pigeon holes you with respect to future employment and the fact that you're working long, exhausting days means its very hard to find the time and energy to build your skills outside of work.
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#13Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…
According to the article, "Most people make between $16.50 and $20 an hour". So, at 84 hours a week (46 normal pay, 38 overtime at 1.5x), thats $1700/week on the low end, or $88k/year. I dont think that excuses the forced overtime and I would absolutely expect severe health and/or mental health issues to result from the overwork. But, these people can quit (and according to the article many do) - I expect the only re…
People with poor formal qualifications or habilities not longer marketable have little choice except double shifts to raise a family. Just imagine being 40 years old, no college or technical education, having only retail work experience.
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#14Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…
There is no job that won’t work you for as much as they can. They pay you low enough to where you’re dependent on them paycheck to paycheck. The turnover is high and if you don’t like the conditions they get rid of you. There are a ton of people in line for your job who will put up with worse working conditions so you either lick boots or you aren’t making ends meet this week. The culture at every job is that if you aren’t sweating from 6AM to 6PM you’re “lazy.” Don’t want to work overtime? You either won’t make ends meet or you will be fired. If you don’t make ends meet in America you will be homeless unless you are married with children or can live with your parents.
The only way to remedy this is to go to college or trade school and hope your degree makes you valuable enough that you can bargain for a realistic work/life balance.
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#15Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…
According to the article, "Most people make between $16.50 and $20 an hour". So, at 84 hours a week (46 normal pay, 38 overtime at 1.5x), thats $1700/week on the low end, or $88k/year. I dont think that excuses the forced overtime and I would absolutely expect severe health and/or mental health issues to result from the overwork. But, these people can quit (and according to the article many do) - I expect the only re…
They are not making that much as it’s unpaid overtime or “suicide” as they colloquially call it according to the article.
Edit: sorry I’m wrong. I read “kills you over time” as “kills your overtime”
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#16Jeez! 59 year old guy with the same salary for the last 10 years. People working in 100 degree temperatures with no air conditioning.
This is depressing to read :(
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#17Everyone knows to work smart not hard. What's stopping them?
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to the article, "Most people make between $16.50 and $20 an hour". So, at 84 hours a week (46 normal pay, 38 overtime at 1.5x), thats $1700/week on the low end, or $88k/year. I dont think that excuses the forced overtime and I would absolutely expect severe health and/or mental health issues to result from the overwork. But, these people can quit (and according to the article many do) - I expect the only re…
They are not making that much as it’s unpaid overtime or “suicide” as they colloquially call it according to the article. Edit: sorry I’m wrong. I read “kills you over time” as “kills your overtime”
The article doesnt say anything about it being unpaid. The "suicide" is a forced double shift, not a forced unpaid shift.
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#19Everyone knows to work smart not hard. What's stopping them?
What a myopic view. Everyone knows to just be rich, whats stopping them from being so? /s
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#20Anyone knows why people decide to do this kind of time consuming work? Is the world getting hard enough that there is no alternative? Whenever I see people working really hard in other parts of the world, especially when the country is filled with other opportunities, I always wonder is it just everyone else that is raising the bar and now the standard is very time consuming work. For example, there's year long touri…
Its a very good question. I think in general it is important to realize that a significant amount of "design" work goes in to creating economies. Local, state, and national decisions will lead to certain conditions. How were those decisions made, and under what conditions? For any given place the answer will be different. How does one place compare to another?
It is my view that it is perfectly feasible to design economies (in a voluntary way) where people can work 20 hours a week and have two months off a year every year. Or closer to our current world, there is no question in my mind that we could keep things as good or better they are now materially, while making sure no person has to work more than 40 hours a week to survive.
I do love to talk about specific strategies [1] but that quickly activates our tribal instincts and can cause violent arguments even when our underlying goals are in near complete agreement. So it can be useful to just ponder on the above. How did things get the way they became? Is it due to iron wrought natural laws, or historical decisions we could freely agree to change?