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Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by epistasis »

fredoliveira wrote: post #55
mattmichielsen wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "please quit iTunes" thing happened to me with Xcode 4.0 on 10.6 as well. Pretty ridiculous.

The Xcode installation asks you to close iTunes because of iTuneshelper and how iTunes will sync devices (including development devices) when they're plugged in. It makes sense that Xcode asks you to quit itunes (and kills ituneshelper too) to update files. It isn't ridiculous.

The broken application detection and the refusal to identify which processes need to be killed is ridiculous.

Having a dev system that's so fragile that iTunes needs to killed when installing Xcode is insane. It's the request of a lazy programmer that's not willing to put in the work of understanding the real requirements or working around the problems, and would be unacceptable in a consumer-facing application. I don't want to say it's OK in the developer tools, but probably not as bad.

Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by ugh »

hubb wrote: post #34
microtonal wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Waste" $5 for an toolset that could possibly make you a millionaire? Really, it's about the same price as a hammer...

xcode is a tool, and has near the same potential to make you a millionaire that a pencil does. if you paid $5 for a pencil, to be told a few days later that the same pencil was being offered freely, would wish you had waited for the free pencil?

That makes no sense. You are unhappy that other people can get something for free now? That's self-centered. You were willing to pay the price, why does the ability of other people to now get the same thing for free change your original assessment? It doesn't seem to change anything for me.

Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by mrpollo »

beagle3 wrote: post #10

Question to mac developers: Does Apple let you in any way develop/debug/test programs for older operating systems? If I bought a newly-released-today MacBookAir with Lion, but I want to develop software that would still run on 10.6 and 10.5 - what's the official (and unofficial) ways to do that?

Pretty sure its not the Official way, but i would just take advantage of the new Virtualization feature, and run VM's of older OS, assuming you know where to get the images in the first place

Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by corin_ »

ugh wrote: post #63
hubb wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

xcode is a tool, and has near the same potential to make you a millionaire that a pencil does. if you paid $5 for a pencil, to be told a few days later that the same pencil was being offered freely, would wish you had waited for the free pencil?

That makes no sense. You are unhappy that other people can get something for free now? That's self-centered. You were willing to pay the price, why does the ability of other people to now get the same thing for free change your original assessment? It doesn't seem to change anything for me.

The argument that it was only $5 is a fine one, but to argue the overall point, I'm afraid you're wrong.

Would you feel the same way if you were renting a house, and had been saving away money for years, so decided to buy it off your landlord so that you would be a homeowner rather than renting all your life. Then a week later the same landlord, who owns all the houses on the street, decides to give the houses away to the tenants. Are you seriously going to be sat there, having spent six figures on the house, and say "I was willing to pay the price, I don't care about them now being given away free"?

Even on a less extreme example, if you spend $1000 on an iPad, and the next week an iPad 2 is announced and your iPad is in shops for $500, are you seriously not going to think "fuck, wish I waited to buy it"?

Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by pygy_ »

marquis wrote: post #18
beagle3 wrote: post #10

Question to mac developers: Does Apple let you in any way develop/debug/test programs for older operating systems? If I bought a newly-released-today MacBookAir with Lion, but I want to develop software that would still run on 10.6 and 10.5 - what's the official (and unofficial) ways to do that?

We keep an older Mac Mini around running 10.4, 10.5 (and soon to include 10.6) for support of these older systems. We've also found that our universal binary has no issues whatsoever running on Lion, which is a relief as we still prefer Xcode 3.

Is it possible to create a UB for all three architerctures at the same time? (PPC, x86 and x64)

Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by ugh »

corin_ wrote: post #65
ugh wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes no sense. You are unhappy that other people can get something for free now? That's self-centered. You were willing to pay the price, why does the ability of other people to now get the same thing for free change your original assessment? It doesn't seem to change anything for me.

The argument that it was only $5 is a fine one, but to argue the overall point, I'm afraid you're wrong. Would you feel the same way if you were renting a house, and had been saving away money for years, so decided to buy it off your landlord so that you would be a homeowner rather than renting all your life. Then a week later the same landlord, who owns all the houses on the street, decides to give the houses away t…

Humans are irrational like that but I try to not get annoyed by those kinds of situations. It's meaningless. If anything I would be annoyed at myself for apparently picking the wrong maximum price I was walling to pay.

Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by xutopia »

zyb09 wrote: post #59
juiceandjuice wrote: post #17

Requirements: Mac OS X 10.7 or later

Damn I planned to update to Lion soon, but not so soon. Seems like we'll be spending tomorrow updating, after figuring out how to get Lion on everybodys iTunes account. Give us some time apple!

Updating to Lion was seamless and super quick. It installed for me during lunch hour.

Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by absconditus »

angerman wrote: post #25

I'm very sceptical of this Mac App Store. As much as I like the idea (apt anyone? :-D) I am very disappointed by it's performance. Neither on SL nor on Lion does it let me update bought apps. Doing the "drag app to trash, click `install', empty trash" mumbo is not really my idea of "working". If anyone has similar issues, or a fix, that would truly be great!

There is an obscure button in the App Store called Updates that will update purchased apps.

Re: Xcode 4.1 now available free from the Mac App Store

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Post by sdkmvx »

epistasis wrote: post #50

Edit: found a fix, if quitting iTunes isn't enough for the installer, you need to launch the Activity Monitor and manually kill the "iTunes Helper" process. What a pain. This seems extremely half-baked. The App Store doesn't install Xcode, it just downloads an installer for Xcode, and ever-so-helpfully places it in LaunchPad. After launching the installer and letting it run for many minutes, it silently popped up a w…

In a terminal, do killall iTunesHelper. Apple did mess up, but that will get you through. If you don't know, iTunesHelper is the thing that starts iTunes when you plug in an iThing.
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