Imperial Delusions

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Post by hhs » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:27 PM UTC

Imperial Delusions
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Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by inglor_cz » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:46 PM UTC

"ideology of moral purpose and historical necessity"

Incidentally, that sounds a lot like the ideology that sustains the existence of the EU now.

Of course, the EU empire works in a different way; economic hostility towards outsiders (high tariffs and compliance cost when importing anything), access to a big common market and a lot of subventions for the insiders. It might be the first attempt to build an empire on money only.

Edit: This seems to be a very controversial comment, swinging from 3 to -2 within mere minutes.

Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by mgh2 » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:47 PM UTC

Nonpaywall link please?

Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by bserge » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:48 PM UTC

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

"ideology of moral purpose and historical necessity" Incidentally, that sounds a lot like the ideology that sustains the existence of the EU now. Of course, the EU empire works in a different way; economic hostility towards outsiders (high tariffs and compliance cost when importing anything), access to a big common market and a lot of subventions for the insiders. It might be the first attempt to build an empire on m…

Yeah? Heard of the USA, China, India, Russia and pretty much any other regional and world power ever?

Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by hardlianotion » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:51 PM UTC

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

"ideology of moral purpose and historical necessity" Incidentally, that sounds a lot like the ideology that sustains the existence of the EU now. Of course, the EU empire works in a different way; economic hostility towards outsiders (high tariffs and compliance cost when importing anything), access to a big common market and a lot of subventions for the insiders. It might be the first attempt to build an empire on m…

The British Empire was a pretty good go at building a money-focussed empire

Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by inglor_cz » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:51 PM UTC

bserge wrote: post #4

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

"ideology of moral purpose and historical necessity" Incidentally, that sounds a lot like the ideology that sustains the existence of the EU now. Of course, the EU empire works in a different way; economic hostility towards outsiders (high tariffs and compliance cost when importing anything), access to a big common market and a lot of subventions for the insiders. It might be the first attempt to build an empire on m…

Yeah? Heard of the USA, China, India, Russia and pretty much any other regional and world power ever?

Indeed I have. What is your point? Can you express yourself more clearly and without the passive-aggressive tone?

Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by inglor_cz » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:52 PM UTC

hardlianotion wrote: post #5

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

"ideology of moral purpose and historical necessity" Incidentally, that sounds a lot like the ideology that sustains the existence of the EU now. Of course, the EU empire works in a different way; economic hostility towards outsiders (high tariffs and compliance cost when importing anything), access to a big common market and a lot of subventions for the insiders. It might be the first attempt to build an empire on m…

The British Empire was a pretty good go at building a money-focussed empire

True, but they willingly resorted to raw force if deemed necessary. I wonder if the EU is going to cross that Rubicon one day, too. There is a significant ideological penalty against it, because one of the founding ideas is that cooperation prevents wars.

Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by boberoni » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:56 PM UTC

You can read the full article on this Archive.is link:

https://archive.is/ZhAxp

Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by senthil_rajasek » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

bserge wrote: post #4

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

"ideology of moral purpose and historical necessity" Incidentally, that sounds a lot like the ideology that sustains the existence of the EU now. Of course, the EU empire works in a different way; economic hostility towards outsiders (high tariffs and compliance cost when importing anything), access to a big common market and a lot of subventions for the insiders. It might be the first attempt to build an empire on m…

Yeah? Heard of the USA, China, India, Russia and pretty much any other regional and world power ever?

What makes you think India is building an empire?

I believe that they are focussed on lifting their masses out of poverty.

Re: Imperial Delusions

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Post by croes » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 8:04 PM UTC

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

"ideology of moral purpose and historical necessity" Incidentally, that sounds a lot like the ideology that sustains the existence of the EU now. Of course, the EU empire works in a different way; economic hostility towards outsiders (high tariffs and compliance cost when importing anything), access to a big common market and a lot of subventions for the insiders. It might be the first attempt to build an empire on m…

Great Britain conquered other nations because of their ideology, that's completely different to the EU or which country did it conquer?