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Master’s degrees are the second biggest scam in higher education?

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I guess they are paying $300k for the connections and access to the elites who go to these universities but whats the point of paying if the 'elite university experience' is not only virtual, but anyone can go and get a MS degree online for cheap access? (Obviously for some courses) Still the pandemic has made it glaringly obvious that depending on the course you study, in this case, history, media, drama and film st…

>I guess they are paying $300k for the connections and access to the elites who go to these universities Can you expand on what you mean by "access to elites"

Let's just say it's not about what you know, but it is about who you know. This applies better at the top universities in the world.

Why not ask Paul Graham (pg) and Patrick Collison (pc)?

Maybe you can ask Peter Thiel and the Thiel fellowship recipients?

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One reason that often gets glossed over (including in this article) is how (non-online) Masters programs are huge moneymakers as a ticket to working in the US. I've seen that in CS programs at University of Buffalo and Yale, a majority of Masters students are from abroad, especially from Asia. Basically, if you wanted to work in tech in the US, you could either: - Find a multinational company in your home country, wo…

I came to post the same thing - sometimes Americans forget that they are a country of immigrants. And one of the routes for potential immigrants is college education.

But with a typically enterprising capitalist mindset, the American system also wants to ensure that talented individual don't go back to their country (or elsewhere) immediately after getting a degree. This is where the high cost of a US college degree comes into the picture - the burden of paying for it acts like an anchor for most students who come from developing countries or econonomically weak background. Even if they get some kind of scholarship and / or do part-time work, they still have to take a huge loans to live in the US to complete their education. And often the fastest way to repay these loans is to work in the US or other developed nations. This may take another few years. The American system hopes that by then the potential immigrant would be sufficiently exposed to the American culture and lifestyle and consider staying here.

(The high cost also ensures quality of education is high in the US, thus attracting talents from around the world. And the money is also pumped into a lot of R&D in the college allowing US to maintain a big tech lead. It's a neat system that seems to work so far.)

The other aspect of ensuring that higher education remains costly in the US is to also ensure that a blue-collar workforce continues to exist, and wage is suppressed among the white-collars. Perhaps the law makers also feel that it acts like an incentive to work more diligently, out of anxiety and worry - after all, people with more qualification, experience and higher stable income often tend to jump around more (which the big tech try to thwart by entering into illegal agreements to not hire each others employee).

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Economics is one of the undergrad degrees that is often sort of generic--i.e. you don't really work in the field with just a BA/BS. And you need a PhD to actually be an economist so a Masters probably doesn't buy you much. (Not 100% true of course, but close enough.)

There are a few industries I'd consider as targets for economics. Management consulting and litigation consulting are top in those.

Yes, but many of the partners at those firms who are "economists" probably have PhDs.

I imagine it's also fairly common for banks, trading firms, and the like to have economists on staff but my point is that they're likely not mostly undergrad (or even Masters) economics majors.

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STEM masters degrees are a necessary hoop to jump through to get promotions in many industries. Humanities masters are just students paying to enjoy their passions, fine if you're rich but too pricy for most.

> STEM masters degrees are a necessary hoop to jump through to get promotions in many industries. Humanities masters

Are also hoops people in certain fields need to jump through for jobs (e.g., community college faculty, lecturer at some other institutions), advancement or pay incentives, etc.

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You don't need a degree to open a business. And mostly it's for learning things for your own satisfaction, which I sense is what you mean?

Depends on the trade, you can't make electrical work without some form of recognition I believe. And beyond that I mostly asked regarding customers, you want something to back your claims and prices.

Those are called “trade schools” in the US, and most community colleges have programs for trades. For example, a lot of community colleges have programs in auto repair and heating/cooling.

It gets more complicated in the US because of unions. In many places, you can’t become a plumber or electrician without an apprenticeship, which is controlled by the trade unions. Therefore, community colleges might offer classes on plumbing or electrical, but there’s no equivalent to a certification program, because it’s not possible to become a professional just by going to school.

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Recent OMSCS graduate here, and I was already working as a software engineer. I learned a lot, I'm very happy with the experience, the price is totally reasonable (around $7k) and it's a kind of education which suits and is oriented to adults. I totally recommend the program. But, I totally understand the issue with a $50k Master's.

+1 for OMSCS. I’m about to start my final class of the program. The low relative cost and scheduling flexibility made it attractive. I don’t feel as though I’ve been scammed. I was exposed to a lot of computing topics I wouldn’t have been able to explore as easily and with as much depth or rigor elsewhere.

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Assuming you're actually smart and skilled - wouldn't it be better to just start your own consulting business, or if you're really ambitious, eventually an agency? Aren't H1-B visa workers mostly in extremely HCOL areas and significantly underpaid / taken advantage of? I imagine if you're from India and you really want to get out of India - this sounds like a good deal (although wouldn't $50k for tuition be hard to g…

Consulting straight out of school is a really tough sell. Consultants are most often considered valuable by their employers because of their experience in a given industry. I would not want to try to pitch myself as a consultant as a foreigner with little to no American work experience. If you’re doing it yourself, sales will be a challenge.

To speak more strongly, it’s going to be impossible unless you’re a rock star.

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It skips the part that masters degrees are required for some jobs, like teaching higher education. (Odd it picked on film writing and arts.) This in itself is part of the racket. Want to teach in any college, public, community, private? You need a masters, no matter how uninformative the content really is. It's a big circle.

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At least 75% of the people I know with masters degrees didn't pay a thing and in fact got free tuition AND a stipend.

I have a lot of relatives from India that came to the US to get their masters in various engineering disciplines. None of them paid a dime.

They had to work a lot of weekends for professors doing research but it was just 2 years and then they had published research papers and industry connections to get a job.

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Of course in both cases this is only true in the US.

My 4 year bachelor's degree in Australia still cost me $60000. I'm still not convinced it was worth it

plus lost wages for four years.
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