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Startup Airline to offer all-you-can-fly subscriptions for $150/m

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Re: Startup Airline to offer all-you-can-fly subscriptions for $150/m

#31
Cool idea. But

a) How in god's name do they keep costs to $150/month for only 9 passengers. Those passengers will collectively pay $1350 a month for unlimited flights? Are they assuming the majority will end up only flying once or twice? What if they get mostly business guys that fly a couple of times a week. I don't get pricing. One ticket costs more than $150.

b) What stops the TSA from simply stepping in and deeming this a security risk? Limit goes from 9 passengers to 5. Or 4. Etc.

c) Even if the TSA doesn't step in and change the law, how does this guarantee safety? I'm not a fan of TSA and as an Arab flying I'm permanently chosen for the "random check"...but there's a reason airport security exists, no?

d) What about this team makes us think they can build it? They're bootstrapped and trying to buy planes. Using early customer deposits. And their tech team is recruited via a tweet ( https://twitter.com/#!/PlaneRed/status/93572991077715968) So seriously, if these guys don't have tech talent or deep pockets, what do they bring to the table?

e) There's no mention on whether the big airports would allow this to go on. "Flying from New York to D.C." : Would that entail driving out somewhere random in Jersey and landing somewhere random far away in Virginia far away from D.C.?

f) "Luxurious" 9-person planes. Luxury here is subjective. Is it a Gulfstream V or a Cessna Caravan?

g) Booking. Besides the fact that they're looking for tech geniuses to build their system via Twitter, any idea on what booking will look like? Will I have to book in advance? How big will the airline "fleet" be? If I'm on an "all-you-can-eat" flight model, I'd expect to be able to log on today and book a flight for Philly tomorrow or the day after. That's what Net Jets does.

I like what they're promising. But there are just a ton of really important tough questions that they seriously need to answer.

Re: Startup Airline to offer all-you-can-fly subscriptions for $150/m

#33
post #16

This is a really tough sell... There is no screening for planes smaller than 10 passengers if there is no "sterile" area at either airport. This means that they'll have to fly into smaller airports, which (often) means you're further from the city, with no rental car, public transportation, etc. They will likely be flying small propeller planes, which many people don't like... props make sense for these short routes…

That tweet frustrates the hell out of me. Am I wrong to read "tech geniuses" as kind of condescending?

I would think so. It seems like they are being genuine.

Re: Startup Airline to offer all-you-can-fly subscriptions for $150/m

#34
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, they will exclusively fly 9-passenger planes in order to skirt the TSA rule of screening for planes that fly 10 or more.

I must be the only one that doesn't mind going through the TSA screening. It usually takes 2 minutes and isn't a big deal. The fact that these guys circumvent the TSA screening rule could almost make PlaneRed flights a greater target for malicious activity.

"I must be the only one that doesn't mind going through the TSA screening."

Probably.

Lineups at the airport can be a lot longer than 2 minutes because of the slow pace of screening. And frisking children and the elderly? I feel so much safer.

I don't see why any terrorist would need to re-target airplanes. They did their job in making flying into the U.S. as one of the most dreadful experiences.

Re: Startup Airline to offer all-you-can-fly subscriptions for $150/m

#35
post #16

This is a really tough sell... There is no screening for planes smaller than 10 passengers if there is no "sterile" area at either airport. This means that they'll have to fly into smaller airports, which (often) means you're further from the city, with no rental car, public transportation, etc. They will likely be flying small propeller planes, which many people don't like... props make sense for these short routes…

This is a really easy sell... There is no demeaning 4th-Amendment-violating security-theater "screening" to submit to. This means that they'll have to fly into smaller airports, which (often) means you're closer to your endpoints, with no parking hassles, easy dropoff/pickup, etc.

They will likely be flying small propeller planes, which many people prefer...

I also like that they are trying to bootstrap into a functioning business ASAP without having to wait for big money and big arrangements to coalesce, and that they plan to launch in a month. Very make-it-happen Done-Manifesto-like.

I would love for it to work, and I see this business model as inevitable given the simmering backlash against TSA and cattle-car airlines. It reminds me a bit of independence, liberty, and freedom, all of which have an ongoing struggle against oppressive polypragmonocracy.

Re: Startup Airline to offer all-you-can-fly subscriptions for $150/m

#36
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, they will exclusively fly 9-passenger planes in order to skirt the TSA rule of screening for planes that fly 10 or more.

I must be the only one that doesn't mind going through the TSA screening. It usually takes 2 minutes and isn't a big deal. The fact that these guys circumvent the TSA screening rule could almost make PlaneRed flights a greater target for malicious activity.

A lot of people DO mind TSA security-theater rights-violating screening, and will go out of their way and pay notably more to avoid it. Many of us have stopped flying altogether for lack of a TSA-free option. Demand for alternatives is there, the capabilities are there, just need someone to work out the logistics.
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