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Google Fires VP over Bizarre Anti-Anti-Semitic Rant

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#11
How disappointing. It seems the post was about his journey from indoctrinated hatred to coming go see that we are all the same... and Google's response is "you used to have views we don't approve of so you're fired". It doesn't matter that he uses that past as a way to show that there is hope to get past the deep hatred between many groups in the middle east.

It is sad how little grace (and perhaps reading comprehension) we have. How does this culture change?

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#12

How disappointing. It seems the post was about his journey from indoctrinated hatred to coming go see that we are all the same... and Google's response is "you used to have views we don't approve of so you're fired". It doesn't matter that he uses that past as a way to show that there is hope to get past the deep hatred between many groups in the middle east. It is sad how little grace (and perhaps reading comprehens…

That's a very charitable description of what he wrote.

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#13
post #9

1. I think posting something like that on LinkedIn is wildly inappropriate. I know it has dreams of being the next Facebook. I wish they’d stick to their lane and keep on being the professional social network everyone hates to use except when they’re job hunting. 2. Part of his statement rings true. Like how can you be anti-Semitic when you are also a Semite. 3. The west should really pay attention. The same propagan…

Expanding on #2. 'Antisemitism' has always been a poor label for hatred of the Jewish people. It was invented around the time that Hebrew was brought back from the dead and is a term that excludes speakers of Semitic languages that never had their language go dead. It is unfortunately the prevaling terminology, despite this fact.

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post #9

1. I think posting something like that on LinkedIn is wildly inappropriate. I know it has dreams of being the next Facebook. I wish they’d stick to their lane and keep on being the professional social network everyone hates to use except when they’re job hunting. 2. Part of his statement rings true. Like how can you be anti-Semitic when you are also a Semite. 3. The west should really pay attention. The same propagan…

>how can you be anti-Semitic when you are also a Semite.

There is no contradiction here, and his pointing it out was a bizarre tangent to me. "Semitic" by definition refers to the semitic religions, but "anti-semitic" is used nigh exclusively in both spoken and written communication to mean anti-Jewish.

Re: Google Fires VP over Bizarre Anti-Anti-Semitic Rant

#15

Firing someone for removing hate from their lives and becoming a better person doesn’t send the right message…

While I partially agree, it certainly seems very tone deaf on the VPs part. A 10k word post and two hour readout on YouTube? Citing specific Jewish people he thinks are good? Really? It seems like there's something bordering on unhinged in that behavior.

> It seems like there's something bordering on unhinged in that behavior.

While I personally wouldn't do it and also think it comes across as kind of weird and unsettling I also think that what you are saying is based on your own cultural perspective. Let's take a few steps back and look at it. Is it really that bad if you talk about having a harmful belief in the past and how you let go of that? Should you be fired overt that? I think Google just chose the easy way here; Fire the person involved, least chance of having a controversy.

I don't know where you live but I can tell you in most western European countries there is a very strong hatred against Jews under Arab migrants. This hatred is also passed along to newer generations. A blog post this might actually make the world a bit of a better place instead of a worse one...

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post #9

1. I think posting something like that on LinkedIn is wildly inappropriate. I know it has dreams of being the next Facebook. I wish they’d stick to their lane and keep on being the professional social network everyone hates to use except when they’re job hunting. 2. Part of his statement rings true. Like how can you be anti-Semitic when you are also a Semite. 3. The west should really pay attention. The same propagan…

Regarding your second point, you can totally be bigoted against a demographic you belong to.

Bobby Fischer for example is a very high profile person. Candace Owens is another.

Re: Google Fires VP over Bizarre Anti-Anti-Semitic Rant

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post #9

1. I think posting something like that on LinkedIn is wildly inappropriate. I know it has dreams of being the next Facebook. I wish they’d stick to their lane and keep on being the professional social network everyone hates to use except when they’re job hunting. 2. Part of his statement rings true. Like how can you be anti-Semitic when you are also a Semite. 3. The west should really pay attention. The same propagan…

2: the word ‘antisemite’ was popularised by German trade unionist and pamphleteer Wilhelm Marr who wanted to have a fancier, and thus more acceptable, scientific name for Judenhass (‘Jew hate’). The word has only ever been used to refer to anti-Jewish racism.

The word ‘Semite’ is a product of the abhorrent ‘race science’ of the time in Europe that purported to divide up peoples according to pseudo-scientific fashion of the time. It is only now used in the field of linguistics where eg. Arabic and Hebrew are both Semitic languages. This has nothing to do with antisemitism.

This is also why we write it as one word rather than hyphenated with a capital S.

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post #9

1. I think posting something like that on LinkedIn is wildly inappropriate. I know it has dreams of being the next Facebook. I wish they’d stick to their lane and keep on being the professional social network everyone hates to use except when they’re job hunting. 2. Part of his statement rings true. Like how can you be anti-Semitic when you are also a Semite. 3. The west should really pay attention. The same propagan…

2: the word ‘antisemite’ was popularised by German trade unionist and pamphleteer Wilhelm Marr who wanted to have a fancier, and thus more acceptable, scientific name for Judenhass (‘Jew hate’). The word has only ever been used to refer to anti-Jewish racism. The word ‘Semite’ is a product of the abhorrent ‘race science’ of the time in Europe that purported to divide up peoples according to pseudo-scientific fashion…

> the word ‘antisemite’ was popularised by German trade unionist and pamphleteer Wilhelm Marr

Thank you. This is the kind of information I come for on HN.

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post #9

1. I think posting something like that on LinkedIn is wildly inappropriate. I know it has dreams of being the next Facebook. I wish they’d stick to their lane and keep on being the professional social network everyone hates to use except when they’re job hunting. 2. Part of his statement rings true. Like how can you be anti-Semitic when you are also a Semite. 3. The west should really pay attention. The same propagan…

2: the word ‘antisemite’ was popularised by German trade unionist and pamphleteer Wilhelm Marr who wanted to have a fancier, and thus more acceptable, scientific name for Judenhass (‘Jew hate’). The word has only ever been used to refer to anti-Jewish racism. The word ‘Semite’ is a product of the abhorrent ‘race science’ of the time in Europe that purported to divide up peoples according to pseudo-scientific fashion…

> The word ‘Semite’ is a product of the abhorrent ‘race science’ of the time in Europe that purported to divide up peoples according to pseudo-scientific fashion of the time.

Nope. The word Semite was coined in 1771 by August Ludwig von Schlözer to refer to a family of languages and their people. https://muse.jhu.edu/article/18229/summary

Re: Google Fires VP over Bizarre Anti-Anti-Semitic Rant

#20

How disappointing. It seems the post was about his journey from indoctrinated hatred to coming go see that we are all the same... and Google's response is "you used to have views we don't approve of so you're fired". It doesn't matter that he uses that past as a way to show that there is hope to get past the deep hatred between many groups in the middle east. It is sad how little grace (and perhaps reading comprehens…

That's a very charitable description of what he wrote.

Since we have different interpretations, it seems like all the more reason for a dialog.

That said, perhaps Google decided that the risk of a bad interpretation is far too great (which would make sense) if they keep him employed.

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