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Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by bencoder »

ronjouch wrote: post #70

What's the copyright situation of this book? Say I want to restore it, clean it up, and publish a nice epub (using as source the PDF already linked in a comment here). Is it copyright infringement, or is its copyright expired now? "112 gripes" was published in 1945, thus sites like https://www.biblio.com/blog/2010/07/how-to-determine-if-a-bo... suggest it's expired . But also, it was republished in the US in 2004 (IS…

> Does this make it "freshly-re-copyrighted until 2004 + 70 years?", or is the year that counts for copyright the original publishing date?

Any changes (spelling, typos, the typesetting) in the new publication would be under a new copyright term. In practice, if you make your copy from the earlier out of copyright edition then you're fine. (Assuming you are correct that the earlier edition is truly out of copyright)

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by grey-area »

Hendrikto wrote: post #82
baby wrote: post #10

This whole thing is amazing. It still reads really well today, like there's no tone of racism and nothing seems inappropriate (which is a hard thing to achieve with time). I wish we had such a book currently on how arabs and the muslim world are different, but not so different than us. > We didn't come to Europe to save the French, either in 1917 or in 1944. We didn't come to Europe to do anyone any favors. We came t…

> This one could apply to our relationship with China maybe? This is absolutely nothing like the situation with China, which is definitely NOT an ally of the west. Shortly after assuming his position as President of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping disseminated a secret internal paper with his most important views and plans, including the 7 biggest threats to China in his eyes. In 2013, this "document numbe…

It would be more accurate to say that Xi and the CCP view democracy, the media, and human rights as the greatest threats to their power, and they’re right - when running a dictatorship these things are a problem.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by fortran77 »

baby wrote: post #10

This whole thing is amazing. It still reads really well today, like there's no tone of racism and nothing seems inappropriate (which is a hard thing to achieve with time). I wish we had such a book currently on how arabs and the muslim world are different, but not so different than us. > We didn't come to Europe to save the French, either in 1917 or in 1944. We didn't come to Europe to do anyone any favors. We came t…

> It still reads really well today, like there's no tone of racism and nothing seems inappropriate (which is a hard thing to achieve with time).

How about this:

    Some Frenchmen have certainly gypped some Americans . We 
    remember the times we were gypped . We forget
    the number of times we were not. How many times were
    you treated fairly, honesty°' ?

    Were you never "gypped" back home -in towns near
    army camps ? (See question 4 83),

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by eplanit »

coldtea wrote: post #79
eplanit wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true. Europeans of that era did not bathe everyday. My stepfather escaped nazi Germany, and moved to the us in the 40s. He grudgingly adapted to daily bathing (my mother's insistence), but remarked how very American that is. He was very 20th century European, for sure.

> It's true. Europeans of that era did not bathe everyday. Americans of a very close earlier ear didn't bathe everyday either...

That's true. It was the 1970s when we were pressuring the stepfather.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by ronjouch »

nmcfarl wrote: post #92
ronjouch wrote: post #70

What's the copyright situation of this book? Say I want to restore it, clean it up, and publish a nice epub (using as source the PDF already linked in a comment here). Is it copyright infringement, or is its copyright expired now? "112 gripes" was published in 1945, thus sites like https://www.biblio.com/blog/2010/07/how-to-determine-if-a-bo... suggest it's expired . But also, it was republished in the US in 2004 (IS…

Most US government publications are are public domain: https://www.copyrightlaws.com/copyright-laws-in-u-s-governme... But determining the copyright status of anything old is really much harder than it should be.

Thanks and thanks for the link; didn't know about this sub-case.

Repeating a point of my original question, in case you have something to say about it: "112 gripes" was published in 1945, thus sites like https://www.biblio.com/blog/2010/07/how-to-determine-if-a-bo... suggest it's expired . But also, it was republished in the US in 2004 (ISBN 1-4191-6512-7). Does this make it "freshly-re-copyrighted until 2004 + 70 years?", or is the year that counts for copyright the original publishing date?

EDIT okay forget about the re-publish question, another HNer commented about it.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by hallway_monitor »

coldtea wrote: post #85
tobltobs wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you decide that he meant conservatives == nasty, bad people?

It was a statistical observation. The people who phrase it the way the parent did, usually tend to be on a specific side. (The other side has its tell-signs as well).

If you are liberal you believe conservatives are greedy, amoral and probably evil.

If you are conservative you believe liberals are stupid and probably brainwashed.

This is America.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by sydthrowaway »

QuesnayJr wrote: post #73
QuesnayJr wrote: post #6

I've never heard of this. I'm reading the original right now -- it's amazing.

This website has serious problems with its voting culture. The serial downvoters should be banned from the site, but they never will be, because dang doesn't see the problem. You can't take disagree, and you can't agree. Whatever, I'm out. Life's too short.

I’ve found ‘chat’-style comments are downvoted i.e the internet equivalent of small talk.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by jhugo »

coldtea wrote: post #79
eplanit wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true. Europeans of that era did not bathe everyday. My stepfather escaped nazi Germany, and moved to the us in the 40s. He grudgingly adapted to daily bathing (my mother's insistence), but remarked how very American that is. He was very 20th century European, for sure.

> It's true. Europeans of that era did not bathe everyday. Americans of a very close earlier ear didn't bathe everyday either...

Many Americans of the exact same era probably didn't bathe every day.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by Bayart »

nodejs_rulez_1 wrote: post #42

> France sounded like a muslim country back then: >> Most French girls before the war had far less freedom than our girls back home. A great many were not permitted to go out without a chaperone. France is dominantly Catholic in religion and in morals... Can you imagine: from that to disallowing fathers to do a DNA test in less than 100 years!

What are you on ? It's perfectly legal, there's just a process to follow because it's completely illegal to take someone's DNA without their consent, unless there's a criminal procedure with sufficient proof.

Sneaking a paternity test by taking someone's DNA surreptitiously would be not only worthless as a legal document, but also put you on the spot for litigation.

Re: 112 Gripes About the French

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Post by ThePadawan »

rsynnott wrote: post #23
ThePadawan wrote: post #9

> (...) tensions began to rise between the French and the U.S. military personnel stationed in the country, with the former seeing the latter as arrogant and wanting to flaunt their wealth, and the latter seeing the former as proud and resentful. Well. I mean... Joking aside, the text is amazingly blunt and honest, in a rather refreshing way. "The French don't bathe." The French don't bathe often enough. They can't.…

> the text is amazingly blunt and honest It would likely have been written to be comprehensible to people with a fairly low reading level.

Well yes, but you also use that fact to be blunt and dishonest, like saying "Yep, the french don't wash. Guess they're just uncultured. They're still our allies, get used to it!"
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