One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps • Hacker News Board

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by shadilay » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 6:41 AM UTC

celticninja wrote: post #102

joelbluminator wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something? I am gonna make some sweeping generalization (how could you not when speaking about 1.5 billion people) but here goes: Not really, the Islamic world didn't care much about ISIS and the Syrian civil war, both of which killed and displaced millions of people. The only place where Muslims pay attention to regularly and express outrage is Palestine as far as I know. I…

So when they claim to hate the abuse Muslims face in the west, really they mean they hate the west and the abuse Muslims face there is just a handy tool. They don't really care about Muslims they just care about being outraged. Just your common or garden religious zealots then.

I'm forgetting the specifics but I read a story about how little the muslim world cares about specific instances but universally they are outraged by mohammed cartoons. Everything else is political and doesn't unite them.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by cannabis_sam » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 11:55 AM UTC

9999px wrote: post #99

cannabis_sam wrote: post #98

I’m always wondering what makes people work for this kind of surveillance apparatus… In this concrete situation: Are they convinced of the party line that this is “combatting terrorism”, is it a civic duty, simply out of fear, or is this just me being ignorant about Chinese society?

The counter-terrorism system they've conceived is worth learning about. They basically erred on the side of "too much surveillance, but alive" over "bomb them all 'til they're dead." Given the near complete absence of terror in the region over the last few years, I'd say it worked to some end.

>The counter-terrorism system they've conceived is worth learning about.

I have learned about it, from multiple sources.

> They basically erred on the side of "too much surveillance, but alive" over "bomb them all 'til they're dead."

So literally a false dichotomy…?

> Given the near complete absence of terror in the region over the last few years, I'd say it worked to some end.

Compared to when?

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by pastage » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

lupire wrote: post #36

pastage wrote: post #11

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If you do nothing it is your fault. That is what these camps have thought us you really need to critize them harshly and take action. That said the legal power nations have to put people in camp during war time is anachronistic. So there is alot we can do to make it better.

> critize them harshly does nothing. > and take action. How? Suit up and form an A*Team to infiltrate? Cyberattacks? Pool funds to bribe politicians?

Words are important and public opinion matters. And you need a lot more money than what it costs to bribe some politicians. E.g. back the companies that takes a stand against the worst violations.