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Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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We're running up towards "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." and it is appropriate. It isn't wrong to replace a human with a machine, I'm not going after calculators, spreadsheets, or farm machinery. What is to come though is a moral imperative that making machines mimic people is deeply wrong. Our worldviews, values, and judgements are based on interacting with other humans and to have t…

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." - Frank Herbert (Dune)

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

#143
I don’t see the big deal. When watching, let’s say, a Ken Burns documentary about The National Parks, they’ll have a guy who sounds as much like John Muir as possible, reading letters he wrote. They don’t add a single footnote or disclaimer anywhere in the film that it’s not John Muir speaking. You’re just supposed to know it’s someone impersonating what they think he sounded like. If it was AI instead of a voiceover actor, that would be the same thing to me, within the context of a documentary, where you’re trying to express that the guy that is communicating is the guy who’s voice you’re supposed to be listening to.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

#144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't get immunity to photoshop in the "I can tell from some of the pixels" sense, but we gain immunity in the sense that we no longer accept every image as representing absolute truth. Plenty of people today still think that video manipulation more sophisticated than an instagram filter takes a Hollywood budget or a lot of expertise. Once people get more experience seeing and creating deepfakes on their own they'…

>we no longer accept every image as representing absolute truth That's not true for many people (I'd go as far to say most), and we're so inundated with it that unedited media is the minority . Ad campaigns get PR for being "unedited" and even then they're heavily art directed (casting, lighting, styling, etc) to compensate. The effects are so widespread that they're subliminal, even if you're conscious of the scope…

Just last month, Norway made changes to it's Advertisement Act, that states:

"The advertiser, and the person designing the advertisement, shall further ensure that the advertisement where a body's shape, size or skin has been changed by retouching or other manipulation, shall be marked."

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&u=https:/...

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

#145

I don’t see the big deal. When watching, let’s say, a Ken Burns documentary about The National Parks, they’ll have a guy who sounds as much like John Muir as possible, reading letters he wrote. They don’t add a single footnote or disclaimer anywhere in the film that it’s not John Muir speaking. You’re just supposed to know it’s someone impersonating what they think he sounded like. If it was AI instead of a voiceover…

Well anyone in that Ken Burns doc wouldn’t have immediate family or friends listening to it, and not to mention it’d obviously not be an original voice recording.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

#146

We're running up towards "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." and it is appropriate. It isn't wrong to replace a human with a machine, I'm not going after calculators, spreadsheets, or farm machinery. What is to come though is a moral imperative that making machines mimic people is deeply wrong. Our worldviews, values, and judgements are based on interacting with other humans and to have t…

We've always used technology to mimic humans. And all along the way there has been people saying we are going to far.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

#147

If they had used a voice actor to recite the Bourdain letter --- would that be the same sacrilege as using an AI?

Sacrilegious bit is that it's not disclosed. It's made to be deceptive.

Deceptive like using the name of a famous dog? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tirebiter

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

#148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. There are still other ethical considerations. Bourdain likely would not have liked this, as others in the thread point out. So it is weird to honor someone with a documentary but not honor their wishes

What makes those considerations significant enough to be worth the effort of evaluating though? It's too late to stop the tech from existing, there's no individuals actually being harmed, and even if you find a framework for arguing harm that's compelling the end-game is just going to be updated contracts which demand rights to use the performer's likeness for these sorts of purposes. The dialogue just seems like a l…

> It's too late to stop the tech from existing

I have no qualms with the tech existing, assuming I do is you creating an argument I don't have. In fact I work in ML generative modeling. But just because a tool exists doesn't mean you shouldn't be thoughtful about how you use it. Technology isn't really good or bad on its own.

> there's no individuals actually being harmed

This is debatable. I think a lot matters on how you think of dead people. I believe most people would take the stance that it is unethical to use someone's image to promote things they did not stand for. You're right that it is very difficult to impossible to harm a dead person, but there's still respect. There's also a family that lives with how you portray said person. They _can_ be harmed.

> the end-game is just going to be updated contracts which demand rights to use the performer's likeness for these sorts of purposes

If there's (informed) consent then what's the issue? (If we assume that said person knows what they have consented to)

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but your response seems in bad faith and to operate on many assumptions about me that just do not hold true. Frankly this is not the kind of conversations I want to have on HN or expect to have. I'm happy to argue about the ethics and have differing opinions, but I do not appreciate my image being depicted with a broad brush. As long as the conversation is in good faith we can discuss a lot of controversial things and disagree all day and everything will be fine. But turning

> Bourdain likely would not have liked this

into

> a fashionable hint of 21st century doom-cult luddism

Is just ridiculous. That's far too large of a leap and such comments are not welcome here. You're welcome to try again but you'll need to update your priors.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

#149

Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. He hated fake phoney people, or food. He hated when his production crew would stovepipe his bits. He hated a scene in Greese (I believe) where crew went out and bought squid, and threw them into the water to made the shoot better. I really liked Bourdain. He was one of the few celebrities that didn't seem to change with fame, or money. I watche…

He hated fake phoney food?? Like plastic food??

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

#150

As a viewer of the documentary, I will love that effect instead of a bland voice-over. But a note should be added on the screen that the voice is AI-generated. Like when they say a war video is a reenactment.

Why would it have to be a bland voice-over? It's an email he sent to a friend. Have the friend read it. I imagine the friend would become emotional. That's far more riveting than a computer recreation, no?

I have not seen the movie yet, but I would take a guess that they wanted to recreate the voice-over similar to his television shows.
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