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Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

> Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong

The problem is that (I doubt) Google is really doing this out of some misguided attempt at "protecting" people but rather as a reaction to what they perceive to be what the people want. When America was a very religious (Christian) country, media distributors stayed away from anything that appeared "blasphemous". They didn't necessarily do it because there was a law against it (there were some odd laws here and there, but the media didn't start actually challenging them until religion really fell out of favor), but because they were afraid of consumer reactions. Google (and every other tech company) is doing essentially the same thing here: speaking ill on certain topics is modern-day heresy and they just don't want to be attached to it because they do ultimately fear the consumer.

Even if you found a globally adoptable alternative to google, the same people who pushed Google to ban distribution of "misleading content" would start looking for ways to ban your globally adoptable alternative - at the network level if necessary (look what happened to Parler before they agreed to follow the unwritten rules). At the end of the day, we won't have truly free speech because far too few of us really want truly free speech.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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This is ridiculous, I agree with most the top comments about a need for a new platform.

But if you have such “misleading” content as Big Brother sees it, shield it from them.

Encrypt the content, give out the key. Even if it’s a simple key, who cares. I’d bet you could even share it as a doc to other people, their internal algorithms surely aren’t sophisticated enough to figure it out.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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post #180

The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

I think your fundamental error is in the fact that you think that a private company (and market competition) can fix these issues. It seems that many people on HN are just waiting for the new Savior company, that will magically have incentives to fight for them instead of making money. It's like hoping for market competition create health regulation in the food industry. Turns out, not even Apple is that messiah, and…

The other truth is we're all outraged when these companies host some stuff that we don't like ... and get upset when they don't host the stuff we do like.

Consumers aren't rational. Neither are their demands.

I'm probably no more rational than anyone else, but I'm honest that I sure as hell don't want to give money to a service that is happy to host some violent folks content / garbage...

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

#205
Good on Google!

The old assumptions of the internet and how it works were wrong. The declaration of freedom was naive.

The simple model of how “free speech” leads to wiser outcomes turned out to be wrong.

What the heck - this combination may even be a Great Filter.

1) The rapid deployment of near-species scale information networks.

2) Information losing neutrality because any species (aside from maybe a hive mind) adds spin and polarity to data

3) Unprepared economic markets that end up rewarding polarizing (“engaging”) content, attriting societal level attention/mental resource in a way never experienced before.

I believe the recent British Govt paper argues that social media firms need to bear a duty of care to users. This is a better place to start.

Removing misinformation which has an obvious known fingerprint is a good start.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

> whose best interests are provably not aligned with that of the general population.

Hell always comes when people feel they know what's best for everyone else, and attempt to forcibly implement it.

I'm for people being free to choose what they believe their own individual self interest is. Even if it isn't what others imagine it to be. Even if those others are right.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it time we make it easy for people to host thier own clouds… Like Nextcloud. All in one at home server with Owncloud Plug-N-Play. While we are at it, have it ready to go for hosting emails and Federated Social Media. To be honest, it would be a challange, but totally doable. Decetralize the interenet once again!

Then there will be calls for cloud providers to remove "misleading" clients. (Read: AWS + Parlor, Cloudflare, etc) What we really need is a legal designation of a "public square" online that protects free speech online

I agree, but my solution was self_hosted at home, not on big tecks slippery back. But I guess the same could be said by your ISP.

Although with the increasing use of private gaming servers and streaming, ISP’s are starting to acommadate the gen_pop with decent upload bandwith finally.

Who know, it wont be long untill ISP’s start filtering content on a massive scale.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

#208

The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

Google could be sued if they helped distribute dangerous misleading health-information.

It's really not about their "good intentions" but about their self-interest.

It's not about freedom of speech either. Everybody has the right to say whatever they want, and Google has the right not to distribute it. Free markets 101.

The fact that Google has de facto monopoly in some areas is a problem that government needs to deal with.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

#209

Their definition of misleading says it "includes information [...] that contradicts official government records". Because no government record has ever been wrong before, right?

A. Which government? All governments in general collectively? Or just the governments you want to believe? I'm sure they aren't going to listen to the COVID skeptic President of Brazil, right? Even better, as a user , can I appeal to the authority of a different government than the one I live in? Let's say I appeal to the authority of Brazil as governing my content even though I live in the US. How does that work? B.…

Well, we only have to go back a year, and you are saying the Trump admin is the only one speaking truth…

I find it insane that Silicon Valley companies have such short memories, and can’t even comprehend that 1 year ago the same policies would have resulted in banning anything Trump disagreed with.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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post #180

The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

I think your fundamental error is in the fact that you think that a private company (and market competition) can fix these issues. It seems that many people on HN are just waiting for the new Savior company, that will magically have incentives to fight for them instead of making money. It's like hoping for market competition create health regulation in the food industry. Turns out, not even Apple is that messiah, and…

What makes you think the government is that Messiah? Is it likely, in your view, that the government will go out of their way to "encourage the spread of misinformation"? I'm not seeing that happening.
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