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Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

#91

The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

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Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

#92

The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

Funny enough, I arrived at the opposite conclusion during my tenure as SWE... Google wasn't taking responsibility for the wide sweep of its arms as the gorilla in the room, and was trying to stay neutral ("We just build services; expecting us to be responsible for them is like expecting fire not to burn") in a situation where they fundamentally can't.

Google is already non-neutral... they ban all sorts of content on search and comply with law in multiple countries. It's never a question of "Should Google be neutral," but instead "How neutral."

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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Amazing they have the gall to think they still can arbiter truth, considering how YouTube up until recently was banning the "conspiracy theory" that the recent pandemic may have originated from a Wuhan Lab... Something that now all the experts are saying may actually be true.

Saying "all the experts" think it may actually be true is a big stretch. It's far more accurate to say that the experts haven't ruled it out. But they still think natural origin is far more likely[1]. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

A few months ago, it was forbidden to think about. Now it’s considered a real possibility by the mainstream. Next year, it will probably be considered irrefutable.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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The doc in question ( https://archive.org/details/frontline-workers-testimonies-va... ) contains anecdotes mixed with blatant lies about vaccine side effects. I totally agree that moderation can be overreaching, but this is not one of those cases. (Edit: context from the submitter here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27858045 )

I take it you disagree with any E2E encrypted messaging services, on principle?

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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post #37

Amazing they have the gall to think they still can arbiter truth, considering how YouTube up until recently was banning the "conspiracy theory" that the recent pandemic may have originated from a Wuhan Lab... Something that now all the experts are saying may actually be true.

Saying "all the experts" think it may actually be true is a big stretch. It's far more accurate to say that the experts haven't ruled it out. But they still think natural origin is far more likely[1]. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

He should not have used the word all, but this feels like a really pedantic point to me. The main thing is that there is no consensus that it didn't get created that way.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

#97

The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

Funny enough, I arrived at the opposite conclusion during my tenure as SWE... Google wasn't taking responsibility for the wide sweep of its arms as the gorilla in the room, and was trying to stay neutral ("We just build services; expecting us to be responsible for them is like expecting fire not to burn") in a situation where they fundamentally can't. Google is already non-neutral... they ban all sorts of content on…

> in a situation where they fundamentally can't.

I’m sorry but they can stay neutral by just not reading/blocking people’s Docs

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

#98

The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

> The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Good intentions my arse. Google, and the US ruling class in general, seems very, very keen that everyone believe the 2020 US election was fair. Which to my mind is very suspicious.

I think the election was probably rigged, and I think the democratic primary was also rigged, in 2016 and 2020, to prevent Bernie Sanders from winning, because he represented a threat to the ruling class.

US elections are about as free and fair as Russian or Iranian elections -- and I bet in those countries the ruling class also tries to prevent people from saying they aren't.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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Simple solution: Google can delete whatever it wants for being "misleading content" but if they ever get it wrong, even in the slightest, 10% of Google's wealth is transferred to the aggrieved. If Google is so confident in its ability to be the sole arbitrator of truth for humanity, they should have zero issue with agreeing to this because it will be zero risk.

Of course they will never agree to such a condition because they know they aren't capable of even figuring out how to make products that the market wants much of the time. The Google Graveyard is proof of this. They sure as hell aren't capable of knowing more about virology than the virologists of the world who still are trying to figure things out.

Tech companies wanting to be in control of human ability to communicate with each other is simply a power play. Combat it with risk and they'll have to back down or suffer the consequences when they make a mistake (which they will, often).

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

#100

Their definition of misleading says it "includes information [...] that contradicts official government records". Because no government record has ever been wrong before, right?

In my opinion you've removed very important context from this quote.

As mentioned elsewhere, the full quote is very different:

“information about public voting procedures, political candidate eligibility based on age / birthplace, election results, or census participation that contradicts official government records”

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