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Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by brodouevencode »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #7
josh_today wrote: post #3

This is the type of change we need to celebrate in people not further scrutinize! As a Jew I would love to create dialogue with a person who realized the past hate was unjust, to hear why the hate existed and more importantly to understand what opened their eyes. It is that process that will help eliminate hate across the board. Today as a society we approach discrimination through censorship and cancel culture which…

Read what he said and then say this again with a straight face

Here's the link to the LinkedIn post in question: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/we-one-amr-awadallah/

What about it concerns you?

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by refenestrator »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #7
josh_today wrote: post #3

This is the type of change we need to celebrate in people not further scrutinize! As a Jew I would love to create dialogue with a person who realized the past hate was unjust, to hear why the hate existed and more importantly to understand what opened their eyes. It is that process that will help eliminate hate across the board. Today as a society we approach discrimination through censorship and cancel culture which…

Read what he said and then say this again with a straight face

Consider that he grew up in the Arab world on one side of a conflict.

What if he were Palestinian? Are all of them unwelcome at Google if they had an unmoderated thought in their lives?

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by mfer »

If we look at things in terms of positive and negative reinforcement this has some interesting consequences.

So, he admitted to antisemitism in the past and shared how he has grown or is growing past it. This kind of admission by him has the ability to challenge other and positively reinforce others who are in a similar situation to him. That _positive_ reinforcement for change away from antisemitism.

He was pushed out which is a form of _negative_ reinforcement. That will teach him and others not to speak out with stories of how they have changed which will limit others from positively reinforcing future change like this.

The way this influences people going forward is worth noting.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by dogorman »

"When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard." -Sun Tzu

You should allow your opposition to at least believe they have an alternative to digging in and fighting you to the bitter end. Even if you have no intention of allowing them to escape or surrender, you should let them believe it's still possible.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by linuxftw »

Let this be a lesson to all of you. First, don't write manifestos online of any sort, one day your words might be held against you. Second, don't admit guilt to anything, ever. All these 'unconscious bias' and 'majority guilt' are about soliciting admissions from you.

"As a person of X, I realized I was discriminating against people of Y." That's guilt. That's fire-able.

Don't emulate behavior just because it's fashionable. You might get the impression that society is run like a college campus now, but it isn't. All this activism isn't for you, it's for political control.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by brodouevencode »

darthrupert wrote: post #14

This confirms what many (like Sam Harris) have suspected a long time: political correctness for large companies is about PR, not about doing what's right or improving people.

#6 here: https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1412012537986568193

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by wyldfire »

> In an awkward attempt to decry hate amid the Israel-Palestinian conflict, he listed all the Jews he knew who he said were good people. Employees said his public admission, which omitted major historic Jewish events, made it difficult for public-facing developer advocates who are tasked with being the face and bridge for Google developers internally and externally.

It is weird to create a list of "good" Jews. But it seems to me like it may be a genuine attempt at positivity.

Most of what talking heads cry about Cancel Culture is just "consequences for having bad attitude/behavior". But this case seems like things going overboard.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

VikingCoder wrote: post #6
websites2023 wrote: post #2

Awadallah will land on his feet, but what signal does this send to other holders of hateful ideologies? To me, the signal is: “You can’t change. Not really. If you ever held a heterodox view, ever expressed that view in any medium at any time in you life, or were caught in our surveillance capitalist nightmare systems doing so, you’re dead to us.” How does that inspire anyone to change their view?

I think we're going to get to the point where people only share their views on sensitive manners in anonymous / pseudo-anonymous forums, so they can't be linked to you. That's not necessarily terrible.

>> anonymous / pseudo-anonymous forums, so they can't be linked to you

Such places increasingly do not exist.

With few exceptions, practically all electronic communication can be traced.

Microphones are almost everywhere and voice recognition is very advanced.

"Privacy" increasing means that someone is paid well enough to not need to monetize your communications, but that they will still have the data ready to hand over if law enforcement comes knocking with a warrant or subpoena.

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